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  • @kinkujin said:
    @pagefall would be great if this new app was just like Autony, except in the selection process there was a checkbox that said "chords?" and if checked generated chords from the selected key instead of single notes. You could choose diatonic (chords within scale, so a ii is minor, etc.). Then there could be a setting for two notes, three notes, four notes, etc. That would be all I would need. But having that all inside my favorite new generative app instead of having to add yet another app to the flow would make it so sweet. Is this sort of what Scalebud does @CracklePot ?

    Apologies if this is explained above, haven't read the whole thread thoroughly.

    yeah - that's kind of one of the things I'm thinking for the clouds mode but I want to do other things as well. my model is kind of the grains generation in Mutable clouds eurorack module but at a note scale. (I'm interested in using harmonic series for note generation too - which is related but not quite the same)

  • @CracklePot said:
    @hellquist @kinkujin
    That AU3 app ScaleBud does this. It is a scale locked KB, with the option to play notes or chords. The notes and chords are scale locked.
    Also, I used MidiFlow Scales forever to lock notes to a scale I choose. It has you pick which notes are allowed, so you might need a scale reference if you go beyond the normal scale types. (Assuming you know Maj/min pretty well already).

    Cool, thanks, that made me rush off and get Scalebud. I shall investigate. :)

  • edited November 2018

    @McDtracy said:

    @hellquist said:
    On the topic of generative, notes and chords, is there an app out there that can automatically generate chords based on a scale?

    There are many. When you pick a scale it also means notes will be interpreted as being "in or out" of that scale and any harmony generated (adding extra notes) will be selected from that scale.

    For example: the Major scale has
    1. major chords on notes 1,4,5
    2. minor chords on notes 2,3,6
    3. note 7 is a special case (diminshed in this case)

    The other 7 modes of western music just pick a scale note to be the root:
    C = Ionian M=1,4,5 m=2,3,6 d=7
    D = Dorian m=1,2,5 M=3,4,7 d=6
    E = Phrygian m=1,4,7 M=2,3,6 d=5
    F = Lydian m=(minus 1 from above), M=(minus 1 from above), etc.
    G = Mixolydian " "
    A = Aeolian " "
    B = Locrian " "

    So, that C Major chord exists in every mode without changes as does all 7 chords. Only the root is changed.

    A great app you might not think of is called Harmonizr. It adds 1,2,3,4 extra notes to any input note in real time. And get this it does it for sounds: like your singing (think Imogen Heap) or a guitar.

    You select the Root and Chord Type.

    Using MIDI you'll find many apps that perform these calculations and generate chords: ScaleBud, Navichord, etc.

    What I love is using Navichord to send chords to Rozetta Arp and then sending these arrpegiations on to synths. NOTE: I select the chord progression I want enter it into Navichord.

    iBassist creates basslines from progressions and can also send out chords on a MIDI channel (which could be Rozetta Arp) and it links with any of the Lumbeats Drummers so you can make a band arrangement from a progression really fast and they sound good. A lot like the "Band in a Box" Windows product which has taken these ideas to the state of the art for computer accompaniment. On IOS the "Band Session" apps use recorded musicians to generate realtime musical band arrangements in many styles.

    This area of smart musical apps is expanding at an amazing rate. If you follow this path consider learning music theory and getting into Gestrument Pro which is the most sophisticated "live music" creation tool in my toolbox.

    Wow. First off: awesome reply. Makes me actually learn stuff. Thanks!
    I will check out Harmonizr. I do have/love Navichord, however, I was thinking more of the automatic generation of scale-fitted chords, in a (controlled random?) chord progression, more than inputting the chord progression myself (for which I actually use a combination of Navichord and/or Suggester.

    I have had lots of fun with iBassist and the lumbeat drummers of late, however I've noticed iBassist is extremely prone to crashing when I use both the notes/chords out in addition to the actual bass out (which I have tried letting iFretless handle the sounds for). iBassist basically crashes every 10 minutes in that set-up, and according to general feedback in the FB group I'm not alone in this. Hope there will be a stability update.

    Also, I do have/love Gestrument Pro, which is my fave tool right now. The possibilities for exploration are almost endless. Incredibly well thought/developed through app. :)

    Fun (useless) fact: I built the first proper/commercial web site for Imogen Heap when she was in the band Frou Frou. Now we are talking 2002 or something though. I can't say I've kept more than cursory tabs of her ever since though, but she seems to embrace new technology a lot though! :)

  • @hellquist said:
    Fun (useless) fact: I built the first proper/commercial web site for Imogen Heap when she was in the band Frou Frou. Now we are talking 2002 or something though. I can't say I've kept more than cursory tabs of her ever since though, but she seems to embrace new technology a lot though! :)

    Harmonizr was designed to be that Vocal Harmonizer product that Imogen, Laurie Anderson and Jacob Collier use to sing like a choir using the keyboard to pick notes.

    For what you want to do there's probably a better app. But if you want to harmonizr a vocal or a Guitar line it's the real deal along with @Virsyn's Harmony 8.

    But for just picking chords out of a scale it might not quite be the right approach. I think you have to choose 1 chord at a time and it only responds to notes in that chord so not quite the right idea.

    ScaleBud maybe. I don't have it.

  • @McDtracy
    I always thought major chords are out of the 1st (root) 3rd and 5th degree of the scale. Are you sure it’s 1,4 and 5?!

  • @david_2017 said:
    @McDtracy
    I always thought major chords are out of the 1st (root) 3rd and 5th degree of the scale. Are you sure it’s 1,4 and 5?!

    You are correct.
    What he meant was, using the Major scale, if you build chords from root notes using the first fourth and fifth scale steps, you get 3 different Major triads. Also referred to to as the I. IV and V chords, which are Major chords when using the Major scale.

  • edited November 2018

    @david_2017 said:
    @McDtracy
    I always thought major chords are out of the 1st (root) 3rd and 5th degree of the scale. Are you sure it’s 1,4 and 5?!

    All chords in these scales are stacked 3rd's (add 3 to any note).
    Major Chord = M3rd + Minor 3rd
    Minor Chord = Minor 3rd + Major 3rd
    Diminished = Minor 3rd + Minor 3rd

    When I say 1,4,5 I'm showing that the 1+3+5 chords on scale notes 1 (C), 4 (F) and 5 (G) are major chords.

    So even in a C Major scale there exists 3 Major Chords C, F and G.

    When you move to a melody around the root of D using those same notes the Major chords in D Dorian are still wait for it C, F and G.

    Minor scales (with Aoelian) being the most common historically are built in A and include C,F,G majors on the 3rd, 6th and 7th scale tones.

    Thanks for asking and more importantly thanks for reading to understand. It makes the effort worth something to me.

    Ready to blow you mind? See if you can follow this too.

    All these chord rules and patterns apply starting on any Note and when writing they just show the sharps (#'s) or flats (b's) in a key signature.

    In most case Sharps and Flats are the black keys with the exceptions where there isn't a black key between E-F or B-C. E# is F for example. Weird huh?

    But important because in that scale all the F's are already F#'s so E# keeps the pattern working.

    The pattern in the major scale we are following is:
    1 (whole step up to )
    2 (whole step up)
    3 [HALF STEP UP]
    4 (whole step up)
    5 (whole step up)
    6 (whole step up)
    7 [HALF STEP UP TO]
    8

    On the piano there are no Black Keys between E-F, B-C.
    The 3-4 scale steps and 7-8 scale steps.

    Starting from C go up a 5th and build the major scale on G with 1 sharp (happens to be the F#) and do it again in a cycle adding #'s and you can continue up to 7 Sharps (C# Major).

    Starting from C and dropping a 5th you land on F and can make a major scale using 1 flat (Bb in fact) and can continue looping down 5ths until you assign all 7 (Cb Major which happen to be note for note identical on the piano to B Major).

    For a computer program these repeating patterns make some things like transposition of scales really easy (just add +5 or subtract -6 or any interval measured in 1/2 steps).

    The mathematical mind and the musical mind often share the same "flat" (that's a UK term for apartment). Hope that didn't fall on deaf ears.

    If it seems confusing and you don't get it... We just need to try another way of showing you the patterns and "rules" that make the Western Traditions work. Indian Music has many, many more scales and associated rules that I've never studied.

    To really get exposed to a universe of scales check out the free App "Wilsonic" and know that the developer is leading the AudioKet team on Synth One. That's why Synth One has such interesting capabilities for alternate scales which to our western minds sound very strange and tend not to emphasize chords as much but more melodic uses of scales and drones for tonal roots.

  • edited December 2018

    @McDtracy
    Hey bro, thanks A LOT for taking the time and explain it in detail. Now I see the 1 4 and 5 you meant. I. Thallium could follow your post very far but you lost me at the end... haha
    I learnt music theory not for one year (just with different websites, books, youtube etc) and somehow (at least for me) I learn it in incremental steps.
    This whole mode thing Dorian, Phrygian and therof is beginning to unfold for me, after I watched almost every video I could find and read uncounted articles and sites.
    Boy, music theory is hard stuff and keeps my „pumpkin juicy“... :smiley:
    I love learning stuff - thanks again sir!

    @CracklePot and thanks to you too, I totally got instantly what I was missing in the post above ;)

  • @david_2017 said:
    Boy, music theory is hard stuff and keeps my „pumpkin juicy“... :smiley:
    I love learning stuff - thanks again sir!

    You can take music theory pretty far into the realms of abstraction.

    It's like Math... simple and elegant really but concepts can be stacked up on each other until you just loose the ability to follow the narrative. Mere mortals give up somewhere but usually because of bad teaching. Anyone can get pretty far with good teaching and a desire to succeed. Not unlike playing an instrument. But tedious for most of us.

    Art is expression and there isn't the need for a lot of theory to express.

    You really only need so much theory to do a lot. And with Apps you can just jump to making complex layers of sound and rhythm and forget the theory completely.

    Just as some programmers skip the mathematical core of the field and start making things without learning about Lambda Calculus. Don't ask. It's deep.

    But if you're intrigued look for:

    Abelson, Harold & Gerald Jay Sussman's Text Book
    "Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs" (SICP)

    in PDF or in a YouTube lecture series. The deep voodoo of programming in LISP using recursion: code that invokes itself over and over until arriving at an answer. Like a a Christopher Nolan plot (Memento, Inception, Interstellar, Doodlebug).

  • I often pipe Autony into Quantichord and then into a synth. I know this was mentioned elsewhere (https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/29690/quantichord-from-laurent-colson) but I didn't see it mentioned here.

  • Brilliant app but still finding the knobs flaky. Trying to dial in a sequence length and when I lift my finger the value jumps +-1. :|

  • Excellent. Knob frustration is much less now : )

    I do agree the 'value jumps when lifting a finger' thing can be a bit problematic when using the knobs with higher granularity/resolution (ex, length) when compared to knobs with less variables (ex, Root).

    This seems to effect many Apps though, so not sure how the behaviour could be improved unless you have some sort of scaling (ala Thor Synth) where the control becomes finer as you swipe further from the knob.

    Maybe you could keep vertical knob adjustment like it is now and adjust horizontal movement to act as 'fine'
    tune?

  • hmm - will have another tweak in a further iteration!

    One issue of course is that everyone expects knobs to act in different ways! and looking at other apps there are all kinds of ways of doing this.

    I'll see if I can do anything about the lifting the finger thing though

  • @pagefall said:
    hmm - will have another tweak in a further iteration!

    One issue of course is that everyone expects knobs to act in different ways! and looking at other apps there are all kinds of ways of doing this.

    I'll see if I can do anything about the lifting the finger thing though

    You could always add a ‘double tap the knob, and enter the exact value’ feature. That usually solves the squirrelly knob issue for me when the app allows this.

  • @CracklePot said:

    @pagefall said:
    hmm - will have another tweak in a further iteration!

    One issue of course is that everyone expects knobs to act in different ways! and looking at other apps there are all kinds of ways of doing this.

    I'll see if I can do anything about the lifting the finger thing though

    You could always add a ‘double tap the knob, and enter the exact value’ feature. That usually solves the squirrelly knob issue for me when the app allows this.

    I would expect a double tap to reset the value to its default.

  • @Jocphone said:

    @CracklePot said:

    @pagefall said:
    hmm - will have another tweak in a further iteration!

    One issue of course is that everyone expects knobs to act in different ways! and looking at other apps there are all kinds of ways of doing this.

    I'll see if I can do anything about the lifting the finger thing though

    You could always add a ‘double tap the knob, and enter the exact value’ feature. That usually solves the squirrelly knob issue for me when the app allows this.

    I would expect a double tap to reset the value to its default.

    Yeah, sometimes it is that way.
    Sometimes you can tap or double tap the value display to enter exact values, but I didn’t think Autony’s value displays could support that. They look like display only, no box or button looking container.
    I think entering values is more useful in this case. Default value reset seems more useful for synths and sound designing, like when there are a lot of parameters to keep track of, and you want to get back to the previous sound.

  • o:)
    I think the current knob behaviour (hoho) is pretty good, I was just throwing some random ideas out there. :p
    I did find some parameters a little fiddly to set precisely @anickt pointed out.

    In my experience, the "finger lift" syndrome seems to affect many Apps that have controls with a wide range.
    It seems to be an inherent problem with capacitive touch screens but maybe some tweaking might help minimise it.
    Thanks for the update & good luck.

  • @pagefall, I just downloaded Autony 1.2.1 (latest update) and the knobs-behaviour feels worse then before! I find it almost impossible to dial in the scale I want, etc. Values like that (scale, transpose, root, clock, var. length, transpose) are important to be precise; I hope you find a way to handle this better: listbox for scale? 'number-buttons' with left and right arrows for decrease/increase?

  • I think I read that you were working on responsive layout for iPhone?

  • @Harro said:
    @pagefall, I just downloaded Autony 1.2.1 (latest update) and the knobs-behaviour feels worse then before! I find it almost impossible to dial in the scale I want, etc. Values like that (scale, transpose, root, clock, var. length, transpose) are important to be precise; I hope you find a way to handle this better: listbox for scale? 'number-buttons' with left and right arrows for decrease/increase?

    Yeah I have to agree with the new knobs being the worst of the 3 iterations so far.
    The first method worked the best. Yes, you know best @pagefall . If you try to work in everyone’s suggestions, you will ruin your beautiful app. Just implement the ones you feel fit your vision for your app.

  • @CracklePot said:
    Yeah I have to agree with the new knobs being the worst of the 3 iterations so far.
    The first method worked the best. Yes, you know best @pagefall . If you try to work in everyone’s suggestions, you will ruin your beautiful app. Just implement the ones you feel fit your vision for your app.

    This. You will not be able to please everyone @pagefall, stick to your vision and do incremental enhancements that fit with your vision of the app, and it'll turn out great, I'm sure.

  • :-)

    ha ha - yeah not winning on the knobs front am I?

  • @pagefall said:
    :-)

    ha ha - yeah not winning on the knobs front am I?

    Hehe, well, most knobs in here, myself included, love the app, so that battle you've won already. :smiley:
    But there will always be suggestions for improvements etc. I would see them as just that, suggestions. :)

  • edited December 2018

    These knobs are on the right track for being usable (as in pertaining to usability) - except they "snap" to max value in the middle of using them for some reason. Knobs with discrete values also don't need to be continuous - they could be notched. Double tapping can return to default. Tap and hold or triple tap (eek!) could provide a text box. There's lots of apps with usable knobs out there.

    I do love the app functionality.

  • As someone who owns a lot of apps, I feel like the predominate standard is vertical movement. The most successful to me:

    • Allow you to “grab” the control with the first touch. This first touch doesn’t change the value of the control.
    • Once grabbed, up or down movement adjusts the control relative to the value it is at.
    • As long as the finger isn’t lifted, it can be moved further from the control horizontally. As the finger gets further away control gets finer. This also allows seeing the underlying control and its value.
    • Double-tap resets the control to default
    • Tap-hold allows entering the value in a dialog box. I’m not sure I always like this one. It’s very distracting if it pops up when you didn’t want it. Also doesn’t work for a controls such as the root note selector since one would need to know the cc value for each note.

    Generally, when there is a non-numeric list selection, such as root note or scale, I prefer a pop up list. Selector arrows that scroll through short lists are OK, but I really don’t like being forced to scroll through a longer list, such as available scales. I like a pop up that shows me all the available choices, scrolls if needed, and selects with one touch on the right value.

    Just my two cents. I’m OK with the knobs as they are, though they could be improved.

  • edited December 2018

    @pagefall said:
    :-)

    ha ha - yeah not winning on the knobs front am I?

    I don’t have your app yet. It’s on my list though. :)

    I’m not as picky about the knobs control as obviously others seem to be. But, I think this developer handled the issue best with a settings panel that gives you 3 different choices of how the knobs can be turned.

    SynthDrum Kick by DesignByPaul
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/synthdrum-kick/id1362619238?mt=8

  • @skiphunt said:

    @pagefall said:
    :-)

    ha ha - yeah not winning on the knobs front am I?

    I don’t have your app yet. It’s on my list though. :)

    I’m not as picky about the knobs control as obviously others seem to be. But, I think this developer handled the issue best with a settings panel that gives you 3 different choices of how the knobs can be turned.

    SynthDrum Kick by DesignByPaul
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/synthdrum-kick/id1362619238?mt=8

    Sure. But often resorting to adding a setting means you couldn't solve it right in the first place, and can lead to a mess in the end if that continues - especially in mobile. :) (I'm a UX designer and user researcher by day... usually).

    Again, I love the functionality and have no regrets on the purchase! This is just the usual "it could be better if..." stuff, none of the "omg i hate ur appz" going on here.

  • @wim said:
    As someone who owns a lot of apps, I feel like the predominate standard is vertical movement. The most successful to me:

    • Allow you to “grab” the control with the first touch. This first touch doesn’t change the value of the control.
    • Once grabbed, up or down movement adjusts the control relative to the value it is at.
    • As long as the finger isn’t lifted, it can be moved further from the control horizontally. As the finger gets further away control gets finer. This also allows seeing the underlying control and its value.
    • Double-tap resets the control to default
    • Tap-hold allows entering the value in a dialog box. I’m not sure I always like this one. It’s very distracting if it pops up when you didn’t want it. Also doesn’t work for a controls such as the root note selector since one would need to know the cc value for each note.

    Generally, when there is a non-numeric list selection, such as root note or scale, I prefer a pop up list. Selector arrows that scroll through short lists are OK, but I really don’t like being forced to scroll through a longer list, such as available scales. I like a pop up that shows me all the available choices, scrolls if needed, and selects with one touch on the right value.

    Just my two cents. I’m OK with the knobs as they are, though they could be improved.

    Also see the synth Thor for knobby ideas. Every one seemed to loooove that.

  • RJBRJB
    edited December 2018

    I’d love to see you do away with the knob forbthe scales altogether and have a list pop up instead

  • @wim said:
    As someone who owns a lot of apps, I feel like the predominate standard is vertical movement. The most successful to me:

    • Allow you to “grab” the control with the first touch. This first touch doesn’t change the value of the control.
    • Once grabbed, up or down movement adjusts the control relative to the value it is at.
    • As long as the finger isn’t lifted, it can be moved further from the control horizontally. As the finger gets further away control gets finer. This also allows seeing the underlying control and its value.
    • Double-tap resets the control to default
    • Tap-hold allows entering the value in a dialog box. I’m not sure I always like this one. It’s very distracting if it pops up when you didn’t want it. Also doesn’t work for a controls such as the root note selector since one would need to know the cc value for each note.

    Generally, when there is a non-numeric list selection, such as root note or scale, I prefer a pop up list. Selector arrows that scroll through short lists are OK, but I really don’t like being forced to scroll through a longer list, such as available scales. I like a pop up that shows me all the available choices, scrolls if needed, and selects with one touch on the right value.

    Just my two cents. I’m OK with the knobs as they are, though they could be improved.

    Exactly this

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