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What is Audiobus?Audiobus is an award-winning music app for iPhone and iPad which lets you use your other music apps together. Chain effects on your favourite synth, run the output of apps or Audio Units into an app like GarageBand or Loopy, or select a different audio interface output for each app. Route MIDI between apps — drive a synth from a MIDI sequencer, or add an arpeggiator to your MIDI keyboard — or sync with your external MIDI gear. And control your entire setup from a MIDI controller.

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LK - for Ableton Live & Midi by Imaginando - AUv3 Clip Launcher Finally Available in AUM!!

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  • edited December 2020

    @branis said:

    @RolandGarros said:
    Is anyone able to record MIDI from a keyboard without hearing notes doubled or a slight hiccup on note release?

    Only when I record with the track muted (above solo) do I hear just the part I’m actually playing, but that makes it impossible to use overdub mode and immediately hear what I played when the loop comes back around.

    I find the app very friendly and stable if I’m just entering notes into the piano roll, but I can’t solve this glitch of my midi input being sent what seems like twice to the auv3 instrument. On playback each note saved to the piano roll is correct, it’s just while monitoring during recording.

    Yes, I just checked. It looks like note off also triggers a note on. It’s not recorded and it doesn’t happen at every key press, but it happens more often than not.

    Curious. I was experiencing this with my Launchpad X and thought it must be specific to that. I found it went away if I was more deliberate with my playing, less delicate dancing with my fingers. It didn’t necessarily mean less notes or increased velocity, but a definite adjustment needed. I guess this ties in to something to do with note off messages and how long the note is held?

    @RolandGarros Try holding your notes a fraction and see if that makes a difference? Can’t say for me it particularly diminished the music I was making - I was on an LK roll anyway :)

  • @RolandGarros said:
    Is anyone able to record MIDI from a keyboard without hearing notes doubled or a slight hiccup on note release?

    Only when I record with the track muted (above solo) do I hear just the part I’m actually playing, but that makes it impossible to use overdub mode and immediately hear what I played when the loop comes back around.

    I find the app very friendly and stable if I’m just entering notes into the piano roll, but I can’t solve this glitch of my midi input being sent what seems like twice to the auv3 instrument. On playback each note saved to the piano roll is correct, it’s just while monitoring during recording.

    Yes, this happens often so overdub is not really possible. Would love to see this fixed.

  • @dobbs said:

    @skrat said:
    This can be achieved if you have a clip already playing, but the channel is muted and you unmute it. I think this is more standard way if you want to play around live with stuff like eg “starting snare and percussion already 1/4 before next bar” or such.

    Yes that is a god idea but only works if every clip has its own track...

    As you can't have more than 1 clip playing inside one channel, it does not need to be in separate channel, you simply have one clip always playing and just mute / unmute as you wish.

    But maybe now I see what you mean: Do you want to switch from one clip to another within a single channel, immediately, just not from the beginning, but as if it was already playing instead of the previous one?
    That's definitely interesting idea. I don't even remember something like that from Ableton Live, but that's some years ago I was playing with it so I'd expect they already included such feature. Definitely worth considering, there can be interesting creative results coming out of it.

    Remember, LK only sends MIDI, so muting / soloing just stops/starts playing MIDI, so it’s different as if you do it on audio channels, more natural from sequencing point of view.

    How is it different?

    When you e.g. stop notes, you still can have any release sound "tails" playing on. If you have e.g. a delay effect (not as a send, but directly on the channel), by muting it on audio channel, you'd cut out also the remaining delay sound. By muting it on a MIDI channel, it will continue delaying the last note, which is usually more natural. The same goes for unmuting - if you unmute the audio channel too early, you may still hear the "tails" of previous sounds. On muted MIDI track, there is no sound until the clip start triggering the notes. Usually, MIDI muting is more natural, but it depends on what you want to achieve.

  • @bleep said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    @sinosoidal : any chance that you will make it possible to import multichannel MIDI files and allow the output to be sent out without being rechannelized?

    Importing midi is initiated by long-tapping on a clip. Would you like a multichannel midi file to replace the neighboring clips in the scene? Probably not. Maybe import all into a new scene, but then the current long-tap on an existing clip is not good for starting the import. What would you like to happen if the midi file has more channels than you have track channels? If non-matching channels are just ignored, some users and reviews will probably complain that import is broken ...

    I wonder if a more laborious and manual approach is needed for multichannel midi files: the current long tap on a clip is used to start the import. After having selected a file, LK could detect which channels are present and display a window with tick boxes of which channels to import into this clip. At least this would work well with 2-channel files that the Piano Motifs app is generating; you could choose to import all into one clip (as is done today), or you could do a two step process where you manage to split these into two separate clips of your choice. Of course, this would be more work for a 16-channel file, but maybe you want one clip to collapse 1-3, etc.

    Actually, I was hoping that clips could be set to "multi" and contain notes from multiple midi channels and on playback do no rechannelizing. No splitting into new tracks on import. Photon does this and it is great when you want a multi timbral clip.

    This would also permit mpe performances to be recorded.

  • edited December 2020

    That does sound good, especially the part about permitting MPE to be recorded (and maybe even edited). It would require the piano roll to deal with multi-channel data that may contain overlapping notes, though. That plus the current track = channel setup sounds like rather big changes. Maybe start easier with import filtering? Although I agree that your suggestion is probably the better option in the long run.

  • @bleep said:
    That does sound good, especially the part about permitting MPE to be recorded (and maybe even edited). It would require the piano roll to deal with multi-channel data that may contain overlapping notes, though. That plus the current track = channel setup sounds like rather big changes. Maybe start easier with import filtering?

    I'd be content if multi channel clips weren't editable as making a multitrack editor would be a major change. And maybe such clips could be converted to multiple new tracks with a menu command?

  • "channel" could just be added to the automation editor, so you could define a channel for each note?

  • Sorry if it’s been asked already but is this able to make use of groove files like in ableton?

  • I have a question that may be stupid, but is this LK App not very similar to Xequence, Xequence Keys and Xequence Pads?
    It seems to be a collection of such MIDI instruments.

    Or what I am missing?

  • @tja said:
    I have a question that may be stupid, but is this LK App not very similar to Xequence, Xequence Keys and Xequence Pads?
    It seems to be a collection of such MIDI instruments.

    Or what I am missing?

    I'm no expert but I have a basic sense of it's intent.

    It's "Matrix" is like BeatHawk for MIDI. You make a stack of 1,2,4,8 bar loops and then a performance turns them on/off to generate a "song". Each stack of loops is assigned to a MIDI channel. A row of loops is a scene.

    This seems to be the hardware approach beatboxes use like in Akai products, etc.

    But I'm hoping to push it into something more like Xequence running in an AUv3 with longer form MIDI on 8-16 channels. My current focus is on importing MIDI files into pads that I generate using Piano Motifs. Piano Motifs outputs 2 channels of MIDI and both end up in one pad. But both developers are working on a fix for that use use... Piano Motifs will probably allow me to output MIDI stems and LK is going to ask which MIDI channel I want imported to this pad/channel. It's a race to make me happy. Game on.

  • edited December 2020

    It's "Matrix" is like BeatHawk for MIDI. You make a stack of 1,2,4,8 bar loops and then a performance turns them on/off to generate a "song". Each stack of loops is assigned to a MIDI channel. A row of loops is a scene.

    It's also the same as zenbeats' and garagebands (and probably many oher apps') loop mode.

    But I'm hoping to push it into something more like Xequence running in an AUv3 with longer form MIDI on 8-16 channels.

    My idea was to use LK to only play a "trigger note" to start/stop other sequencers. I don't know what piano motifs is exactly but couldn't you use LK to control it?

  • @dobbs said:
    It's also the same as zenbeats' and garagebands (and probably many oher apps') loop mode.

    Did the hardware devices come first and Ableton brought the paradigm to Desktops or is there another DAW that pioneered this approach to a Live DAW?

  • @McD said:

    @dobbs said:
    It's also the same as zenbeats' and garagebands (and probably many oher apps') loop mode.

    Did the hardware devices come first and Ableton brought the paradigm to Desktops or is there another DAW that pioneered this approach to a Live DAW?

    I'd say Sonic Foundry's Acid (later Sony Acid Pro) got the ball rolling on. It was PC only and until the first version of Live came around several years later, people on the Mac were begging for Acid on the Mac because realtime pitch-shifting/time-stretching of loops wasn't really available -- I think GarageBand's AppleLoops weren't around till a few years after Live hit.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I'd say Sonic Foundry's Acid (later Sony Acid Pro) got the ball rolling on. It was PC only and until the first version of Live came around several years later, people on the Mac were begging for Acid on the Mac because realtime pitch-shifting/time-stretching of loops wasn't really available -- I think GarageBand's AppleLoops weren't around till a few years after Live hit.

    Wow. That's around the time I stopped following Music Making on a PC. When Sony bought
    Acid.

    I later got a Mac and bought Reason but never really dug into it. It was already into a hardware device simulation that I just didn't get and still need to catch up on. I was and
    still am stuck in the Multi-track Tape system with out-board FX. I bought a couple of the
    Korg Digital Recording systems and made some projects there using keyboards, guitars, and mics.

  • Hmmm... I can play pitch bend through the armed track and it works. I can record the pitch bend into the clip and it shows up in the automation. But the clip doesn't play the pitch bend when I play the clip... that's weird...?!

  • @espiegel123 said:
    I'd say Sonic Foundry's Acid (later Sony Acid Pro) got the ball rolling on. It was PC only and until the first version of Live came around several years later, people on the Mac were begging for Acid on the Mac because realtime pitch-shifting/time-stretching of loops wasn't really available -- I think GarageBand's AppleLoops weren't around till a few years after Live hit.

    Magix Music Maker was pre Acid. VSTs weren't a thing initially, but eventually they were supported but if you actually used them you were on dangerous ground! When I got Acid with my first serious soundcard (aka one that wasn't a SoundBlaster Live) I ditched Magix swiftly!

  • @PeteSasqwax said:

    @espiegel123 said:
    I'd say Sonic Foundry's Acid (later Sony Acid Pro) got the ball rolling on. It was PC only and until the first version of Live came around several years later, people on the Mac were begging for Acid on the Mac because realtime pitch-shifting/time-stretching of loops wasn't really available -- I think GarageBand's AppleLoops weren't around till a few years after Live hit.

    Magix Music Maker was pre Acid. VSTs weren't a thing initially, but eventually they were supported but if you actually used them you were on dangerous ground! When I got Acid with my first serious soundcard (aka one that wasn't a SoundBlaster Live) I ditched Magix swiftly!

    Cool. It looks like Magix also wrote acid. Did Music Maker have the same sort of loop-based workflow with pitch and time stretching?

  • edited December 2020

    Yes, very similar. I'm not sure what the connection between the three companies is but Acid and Sound Forge have all been under the umbrella of Sony, Sonic Foundry and Magix at some point.

  • edited December 2020

    Hi guys, sorry for a very basic, maybe even stupid question, but how do you initialize the project in LK? I don't see an option to start a new project anywhere, only save button in the top right corner...and while I'm at it: how's sync and clock with external gear/software working for you? I've tried to use LK with VCV rack on my Mac using both wireless/wired connection, ubridge server, network midi, IDAM midi host, whatever, it's always all over the place, notes are dropped, clock is drifting...unusable really. Not interested in using it with Ableton, but as a midi sequencer/controller mostly...

    P.S. Oh, and what's the deal with transport when using it inside hosts like AUM and ApeMatrix? I can still start and stop it separately, and this is really confusing, THREE sets of transport controls, all operating independently, it's quite a mess

  • Well, Ableton 11 (Beta) turned the piano roll into a ‘midi tool’.. and, probability is not just an enhancements, but a performance feature that can dynamically change a clip/project..

    I think LK’s piano roll should be a separate module from the launcher.. with both getting their own TLC.... working with each other...

  • edited December 2020

    @nnbveh said:
    Hi guys, sorry for a very basic, maybe even stupid question, but how do you initialize the project in LK? I don't see an option to start a new project anywhere, only save button in the top right corner...

    There is not new project button. We need to add some templates to the patch manager. Sorry!

    and while I'm at it: how's sync and clock with external gear/software working for you? I've tried to use LK with VCV rack on my Mac using both wireless/wired connection, ubridge server, network midi, IDAM midi host, whatever, it's always all over the place, notes are dropped, clock is drifting...unusable really. Not interested in using it with Ableton, but as a midi sequencer/controller mostly...

    Our next release 1.9.0 it is completetly focused on timming issues. All test cases scenarios are welcome. If you would like to provide us feedback, let me know by private message and I will add you to TestFlight.

    P.S. Oh, and what's the deal with transport when using it inside hosts like AUM and ApeMatrix? I can still start and stop it separately, and this is really confusing, THREE sets of transport controls, all operating independently, it's quite a mess

    This question has been raised already. We allow LK to work without being tied to it's AUv3. This can be good and a bad thing depending on the user. Some users have already suggested a button which would lock it to the host. We might implement that feature. Right now, if you want to sync them together you just need to pause and set the host transport controls to the beggining and play again.

    Let me know if you would like to test the forthcomming version and provide feedback for your use cases. Thank you! :blush:

  • @RajahP said:
    Well, Ableton 11 (Beta) turned the piano roll into a ‘midi tool’.. and, probability is not just an enhancements, but a performance feature that can dynamically change a clip/project..

    I think LK’s piano roll should be a separate module from the launcher.. with both getting their own TLC.... working with each other...

    I think it would be even more cumbersome to switch between modules just to edit notes. What is TLC?

  • @sinosoidal said:

    @RajahP said:
    Well, Ableton 11 (Beta) turned the piano roll into a ‘midi tool’.. and, probability is not just an enhancements, but a performance feature that can dynamically change a clip/project..

    I think LK’s piano roll should be a separate module from the launcher.. with both getting their own TLC.... working with each other...

    I think it would be even more cumbersome to switch between modules just to edit notes. What is TLC?

    Tender Loving Care (TLC)... You do have a point...How about a floating Paino Roll. My 2 cents... Thanks for the response..

  • edited December 2020

    Tender Loving Care (TLC)... You do have a point...How about a floating Paino Roll. My 2 cents...

    Or thin layer chromatography, depending on the field you work in ;) Yes shift+press on a clip could open another AU window with the piano roll, that would be cool... is it even possible for an AU plugin to have multiple windows?

    Another thing that would be super cool: if you could switch between the classical piano roll view and a view for drum/percussion clips with icons instead of the keyboard.

  • @RajahP said:

    @sinosoidal said:

    @RajahP said:
    Well, Ableton 11 (Beta) turned the piano roll into a ‘midi tool’.. and, probability is not just an enhancements, but a performance feature that can dynamically change a clip/project..

    I think LK’s piano roll should be a separate module from the launcher.. with both getting their own TLC.... working with each other...

    I think it would be even more cumbersome to switch between modules just to edit notes. What is TLC?

    Tender Loving Care (TLC)... You do have a point...How about a floating Paino Roll. My 2 cents... Thanks for the response..

    It would be possible to have multiple floating windows for each clip. Those windows, would be inside the the LK AUv3 though. Would that be better? I'm not sure yet. Specially on phone.

  • edited December 2020

    Maybe on phones/ipad minis shift+click could just open the piano roll in "fullscreen" mode

  • @dobbs said:
    Maybe on phones/ipad minis shift+click could just open the piano roll in "fullscreen" mode

    That's basically what the draggable split viewport does. What's the gain? 5 mm of extra height?

    I'm trying to figure out the cons and pros for approaching this with another angle than the draggable slit viewport.

  • edited December 2020

    ok I've only just discovered you don't have to drag it but can also just tap on the bar to open it fullscreen... forget what I said before :D

  • After discovering that the piano roll, automation, etc. can be maximized using a tap, I have never dragged once inside LK. I think this works well!

  • @dobbs said:
    ok I've only just discovered you don't have to drag it but can also just tap on the bar to open it fullscreen... forget what I said before :D

    note that you have to NOT top on the scroll widget but anywhere else for the tap to be seen. It took me an embarrassing number of attempts to realize that.

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