Audiobus: Use your music apps together.

What is Audiobus?Audiobus is an award-winning music app for iPhone and iPad which lets you use your other music apps together. Chain effects on your favourite synth, run the output of apps or Audio Units into an app like GarageBand or Loopy, or select a different audio interface output for each app. Route MIDI between apps — drive a synth from a MIDI sequencer, or add an arpeggiator to your MIDI keyboard — or sync with your external MIDI gear. And control your entire setup from a MIDI controller.

Download on the App Store

Audiobus is the app that makes the rest of your setup better.

Great take on subscriptions and Apple pricing model by Jakob

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  • @ralis said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @dendy said:

    @cyberheater said:
    Just checking. Is this another Logic Pro thread?

    A sort of 😂 But really, worth to watch becsuse Jakob is taling about wider aspect of current iOS stage in terms of pricing of apps …

    Yep. He makes some great points. I'd be happy to pay £50 for the app and then an additional fee for upgrades. I don't suppose they are going to do it although there has been a lot of back lash about subscriptions.

    But would you pay $200 of $300 to own it?

    I paid 200 to license it on my Mac, it if is a complete full version for the iPad I would pay 200 to license it to my iPad permanently. Perhaps pay for upgrades if I feel they warrant it or not if I choose so.

    My biggest issues are monthly licensing fees being sold to the public as a subscription and if it is accepted it will become status quo. You will end up paying monthly rent for all your apps that you use on your 1000 dollar plus iPad. Once they make a profit on the app, that means all the programming, development, marketing cost them nothing, it has been paid for by you and they will continue to profit from you.

    If this extortion and racketeering tactic woks for Apple, the FCP and LP will have monthly license fees for their desktops soon enough and it won’t stop there, this is the goal of every corporation- a way to get people to pay monthly for the rest of their lives.

    Trust me you will have your monthly rent, monthly power, monthly internet, monthly water, monthly entertainment streaming, monthly phone, monthly software license fees, monthly food subscription, WAIT, YOU ARE 80% there, monthly App license fees, monthly car service, or public transit card, monthly clothing and laundry subscriptions.

    The banks and corporations do not want you to OWN ANYTHING! If you own so thing you have finished paying for it and the profit is capped.

    The average adult (18) lives to about 72 give or take, that is 648 months as an adult. Corporations and banks want to make money from you. Why sell you something 1 time when they can sell you the same damn thing 648 times! Then their marketing makes you happy to do it. I did the math and so did they, a long time ago please wake up sheeple

    OMG, the hyperbole. LOL.

  • @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    All what you say is realistic and the reality. Such a pro Daw will not take people more creative I 🤔 the opposite . Some very creative musicians it can boost their output a lot like it was the case for Billie Eilish that create her first song on on Logic Pro, she master the tool after many years so she was doing from start to end her first songs. If you go to a Label with very polished songs so they consider you with high regards for sure 👌

    For most of us in the hobby it it just an affordable big studio, my dream was to be sounds engineer not software engineer but I had at 18 years old a summer job in a big recording studio so I just as hobby my dream and I discovered how wonderful is sound design.

    First time I had LP I loose my creativity during over 6 months at leat ,just doing part of musics track , now I got 120 projects to finish as I am never happy , such a tools push you to be not realising or finish as you want more and more. Now I learnt to relax and I achieve more work but not so much. I created more finished track in the easy li tied to midi NS2 or Cubasis 3.

    Music is a therapeutic way for me from creating sounds to track do mixing and try to achieve a bit of mastering (such a noob for mastering even just for Soundcloud).

    Sharing with you my human experience with LP pro can help people to adapt . Some will no do something great or even good for many months but stay focus to learn LP and after it will be ok at the same time use AUM and play with apps do iOS music as LP is not really like iOS music as you did for many years.

    Some people say It is easy LP , they surely forgot how it can be frustrating and a deep learning curve and stressful compare to NS2. But it is also at the end rewarding nothing to compare with GarageBand, the instruments and sounds can be wonderful if you use texture morphing.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    Right on. I'm very at home in aum, the lovely experimental playground that it is.

    The limitations are what makes it, in many ways.

    I will probably not take to logic pro, but I'm excited to see what changes it brings about. As I've said in a few of these threads now - god there are so damn many lol - I hope this new era will actually force ios devs to take advantage of the touchscreen in a way that very few have done in recent years.

    Time will tell. I keep repeating this because I'm very keen that it should happen and I also think it's one of the only ways native ios devs can differentiate themselves.

    Indeed. It’s funny, but one of the larger devs to come to iOS in recent years, Eventide, was greeted so enthusiastically (Of course I stupidly bought them all!) but I almost never use their apps, given their comparatively anodyne quality in comparison to offerings from smaller devs.

    Like you, I’m typically in AUM, but I was just messing with NS2 last night - wondering if I would really get more done and done better with Logic. Yeah, yeah, no audio tracks, but navigation is a breeze.

  • @ralis said:
    Trust me you will have your monthly rent, monthly power, monthly internet, monthly water, monthly entertainment streaming, monthly phone, monthly software license fees, monthly food subscription, WAIT, YOU ARE 80% there, monthly App license fees, monthly car service, or public transit card, monthly clothing and laundry subscriptions.

    What is a monthly clothing subscription? Or a monthly laundry subscription? Or a monthly food subscription?

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    All what you say is realistic and the reality. Such a pro Daw will not take people more creative I 🤔 the opposite . Some very creative musicians it can boost their output a lot like it was the case for Billie Eilish that create her first song on on Logic Pro, she master the tool after many years so she was doing from start to end her first songs. If you go to a Label with very polished songs so they consider you with high regards for sure 👌

    For most of us in the hobby it it just an affordable big studio, my dream was to be sounds engineer not software engineer but I had at 18 years old a summer job in a big recording studio so I just as hobby my dream and I discovered how wonderful is sound design.

    First time I had LP I loose my creativity during over 6 months at leat ,just doing part of musics track , now I got 120 projects to finish as I am never happy , such a tools push you to be not realising or finish as you want more and more. Now I learnt to relax and I achieve more work but not so much. I created more finished track in the easy li tied to midi NS2 or Cubasis 3.

    Music is a therapeutic way for me from creating sounds to track do mixing and try to achieve a bit of mastering (such a noob for mastering even just for Soundcloud).

    Sharing with you my human experience with LP pro can help people to adapt . Some will no do something great or even good for many months but stay focus to learn LP and after it will be ok at the same time use AUM and play with apps do iOS music as LP is not really like iOS music as you did for many years.

    Some people say It is easy LP , they surely forgot how it can be frustrating and a deep learning curve and stressful compare to NS2. But it is also at the end rewarding nothing to compare with GarageBand, the instruments and sounds can be wonderful if you use texture morphing.

    I totally understand and I don’t want to knock Logic Pro - I used it a bit 15 years ago and Digital Performer prior to that. I remember it being equally rewarding and frustrating. At the time I just wanted to record some songs in my apartment - 10 tracks at the most. It’s still probably more than I need or want!

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    All what you say is realistic and the reality. Such a pro Daw will not take people more creative I 🤔 the opposite . Some very creative musicians it can boost their output a lot like it was the case for Billie Eilish that create her first song on on Logic Pro, she master the tool after many years so she was doing from start to end her first songs. If you go to a Label with very polished songs so they consider you with high regards for sure 👌

    For most of us in the hobby it it just an affordable big studio, my dream was to be sounds engineer not software engineer but I had at 18 years old a summer job in a big recording studio so I just as hobby my dream and I discovered how wonderful is sound design.

    First time I had LP I loose my creativity during over 6 months at leat ,just doing part of musics track , now I got 120 projects to finish as I am never happy , such a tools push you to be not realising or finish as you want more and more. Now I learnt to relax and I achieve more work but not so much. I created more finished track in the easy li tied to midi NS2 or Cubasis 3.

    Music is a therapeutic way for me from creating sounds to track do mixing and try to achieve a bit of mastering (such a noob for mastering even just for Soundcloud).

    Sharing with you my human experience with LP pro can help people to adapt . Some will no do something great or even good for many months but stay focus to learn LP and after it will be ok at the same time use AUM and play with apps do iOS music as LP is not really like iOS music as you did for many years.

    Some people say It is easy LP , they surely forgot how it can be frustrating and a deep learning curve and stressful compare to NS2. But it is also at the end rewarding nothing to compare with GarageBand, the instruments and sounds can be wonderful if you use texture morphing.

    I think with enough exposure to and experience with pro- and semi-pro software a person can really begin to understand how to shape their recordings and improve a bit every day.

  • @ALB said:
    Like you, I’m typically in AUM, but I was just messing with NS2 last night - wondering if I would really get more done and done better with Logic. Yeah, yeah, no audio tracks, but navigation is a breeze.

    My best mixes came out of NS2 and not just because of the cool track nesting/routing, but being able to jump almost anywhere within a second and adjust anything on the fly. If Logic has even half this flow that is a win.

  • @NeuM said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    All what you say is realistic and the reality. Such a pro Daw will not take people more creative I 🤔 the opposite . Some very creative musicians it can boost their output a lot like it was the case for Billie Eilish that create her first song on on Logic Pro, she master the tool after many years so she was doing from start to end her first songs. If you go to a Label with very polished songs so they consider you with high regards for sure 👌

    For most of us in the hobby it it just an affordable big studio, my dream was to be sounds engineer not software engineer but I had at 18 years old a summer job in a big recording studio so I just as hobby my dream and I discovered how wonderful is sound design.

    First time I had LP I loose my creativity during over 6 months at leat ,just doing part of musics track , now I got 120 projects to finish as I am never happy , such a tools push you to be not realising or finish as you want more and more. Now I learnt to relax and I achieve more work but not so much. I created more finished track in the easy li tied to midi NS2 or Cubasis 3.

    Music is a therapeutic way for me from creating sounds to track do mixing and try to achieve a bit of mastering (such a noob for mastering even just for Soundcloud).

    Sharing with you my human experience with LP pro can help people to adapt . Some will no do something great or even good for many months but stay focus to learn LP and after it will be ok at the same time use AUM and play with apps do iOS music as LP is not really like iOS music as you did for many years.

    Some people say It is easy LP , they surely forgot how it can be frustrating and a deep learning curve and stressful compare to NS2. But it is also at the end rewarding nothing to compare with GarageBand, the instruments and sounds can be wonderful if you use texture morphing.

    I think with enough exposure to and experience with pro- and semi-pro software a person can really begin to understand how to shape their recordings and improve a bit every day.

    The only way is to create hundred of songs can be craps one not important you will only progress like that and every day you use it and at the end you improve. More you do more your learn and don’t think that because you use Garage Band you will be easy cool with LP it like if you have a cat 🐈 and after a dog 🐶 not really the same.

    Is it easier with LP ios touch screen than LP OS I am like you I have no clue only I hope it will be or many will stop their sub fed up the first month. If Apple releases it for a wide use , usually they work on that.

  • Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

  • I would like to see a model like this:

    Full Lifetime Purchase: $100 + as per what the market will bear (could be lower or higher) and includes all future upgrades. This is for people with some funds who believe in an app and want to invest in its future.

    Temporary Subscription: “rent” the app for the month with automatic cancellation. This is useful for those apps you would like to use once in a while but not enough to justify purchasing.

    Subscribe to Own: like a payment plan, you pay monthly every month until the current version’s price is paid and then your subscription ends but you still keep the current version. New versions would not come for free, but could be had for the same subscribe to own deal or purchased outright.

    The current AppStore will not allow for this, so yes, changes are necessary before this would have a chance. Just thinking of a way to cater to all the payment methods people prefer rather than one or the other.

  • @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    At least they say as requirement to have GB installed on IPad to have the new Logic. Why ? I don’t know but Apple have its tech reason for that.

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    At least they say as requirement to have GB installed on IPad to have the new Logic. Why ? I don’t know but Apple have its tech reason for that.

    Where was that mentioned?

  • @BerlinFx said:

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    At least they say as requirement to have GB installed on IPad to have the new Logic. Why ? I don’t know but Apple have its tech reason for that.

    Where did you read that? They are two separate apps...

  • @Simon said:

    @ralis said:
    Trust me you will have your monthly rent, monthly power, monthly internet, monthly water, monthly entertainment streaming, monthly phone, monthly software license fees, monthly food subscription, WAIT, YOU ARE 80% there, monthly App license fees, monthly car service, or public transit card, monthly clothing and laundry subscriptions.

    What is a monthly clothing subscription? Or a monthly laundry subscription? Or a monthly food subscription?

    This user, Ralis, must be totally brainwashed - his dystopian theories is really funny!!

    If you don’t want Logic Pro as an subscription, don’t get it then from Apple…
    Buy some other DAW instead - there are a least ten of them to iPad on Appstore…

  • @AudioGus said:

    @ALB said:
    Like you, I’m typically in AUM, but I was just messing with NS2 last night - wondering if I would really get more done and done better with Logic. Yeah, yeah, no audio tracks, but navigation is a breeze.

    My best mixes came out of NS2 and not just because of the cool track nesting/routing, but being able to jump almost anywhere within a second and adjust anything on the fly. If Logic has even half this flow that is a win.

    Dream scenario: the Nanostudio developer works for Apple now….

  • edited May 2023

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    At least they say as requirement to have GB installed on IPad to have the new Logic. Why ? I don’t know but Apple have its tech reason for that.

    I dont think that is how that works. Your Garageband projects can be finished in Logic Pro. You would need to have Garageband installed to move the project to Logic Pro.

    Also, many users have GarageBand instruments. You should be able to use those instruments inside of Logic as well. The desk version does this.

    Edit: If you have no GB projects or instruments you should not need GB to run Logic Pro.

  • @TurnItUp said:

    @BerlinFx said:

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    At least they say as requirement to have GB installed on IPad to have the new Logic. Why ? I don’t know but Apple have its tech reason for that.

    I dont think that is how that works. Your Garageband projects can be finished in Logic Pro. You would need to have Garageband installed to move the project to Logic Pro.

    Also, many users have GarageBand instruments. You should be able to use those instruments inside of Logic as well. The desk version does this.

    Edit: If you have no GB projects or instruments you should not need GB to run Logic Pro.

    Right. This mistaken belief comes from a misreading of the fine print on the web site. You are correct.

  • edited May 2023

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    i actually think Logic on iPad will be like desktop logic switched to ´easy mode’ 😂

  • @dendy said:

    @Samu said:
    Who knows maybe iPad Logic will have a similar switch as the Mac version?
    ...with 'easy mode' switched on it's more like iPad GarageBand and in 'normal/hard' mode it's more like 'Logic' :sunglasses:

    i actually think Logic on iPad will be like desktop logic switched to ´easy mode’ 😂

    Possibly!

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Simon said:

    @ralis said:
    Trust me you will have your monthly rent, monthly power, monthly internet, monthly water, monthly entertainment streaming, monthly phone, monthly software license fees, monthly food subscription, WAIT, YOU ARE 80% there, monthly App license fees, monthly car service, or public transit card, monthly clothing and laundry subscriptions.

    What is a monthly clothing subscription? Or a monthly laundry subscription? Or a monthly food subscription?

    This user, Ralis, must be totally brainwashed - his dystopian theories is really funny!!

    If you don’t want Logic Pro as an subscription, don’t get it then from Apple…
    Buy some other DAW instead - there are a least ten of them to iPad on Appstore…

    I can assure you I am not brainwashed. Dystopian theories, Perhaps. I find it disheartening not funny.

    Yes, there are monthly food subscriptions already and yes there are under wear and legging subscriptions already. My guess is that laundry is soon to follow. There is already and app for laundry that will automatically recharge weekly or monthly for laundry mats, but you have a choice to just do a one time payment but it is designed to discourage that.

    I will not get LP for iPad.

    I did buy 6 other DAW’s and I actually use 3 of them

    I travel extensively for long periods of time for my work, I am observant and base my opinions on the facts I have at the moment.

  • @ralis said:

    Yes, there are monthly food subscriptions already and yes there are under wear and legging subscriptions already. My guess is that laundry is soon to follow. There is already and app for laundry that will automatically recharge weekly or monthly for laundry mats, but you have a choice to just do a one time payment but it is designed to discourage that.

    I suppose if you search hard enough on the internet you'll eventually find "toothpick rental" or "ball of string rental" but this stuff you talk about is pretty obscure.

    House rental is common. Car rental. Hardware & tools rental. All common. And useful to some people.

    Underwear and legging subscriptions... I wouldn't worry about that too much.

  • @ralis said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Simon said:

    @ralis said:
    Trust me you will have your monthly rent, monthly power, monthly internet, monthly water, monthly entertainment streaming, monthly phone, monthly software license fees, monthly food subscription, WAIT, YOU ARE 80% there, monthly App license fees, monthly car service, or public transit card, monthly clothing and laundry subscriptions.

    What is a monthly clothing subscription? Or a monthly laundry subscription? Or a monthly food subscription?

    This user, Ralis, must be totally brainwashed - his dystopian theories is really funny!!

    If you don’t want Logic Pro as an subscription, don’t get it then from Apple…
    Buy some other DAW instead - there are a least ten of them to iPad on Appstore…

    I can assure you I am not brainwashed. Dystopian theories, Perhaps. I find it disheartening not funny.

    Yes, there are monthly food subscriptions already and yes there are under wear and legging subscriptions already. My guess is that laundry is soon to follow. There is already and app for laundry that will automatically recharge weekly or monthly for laundry mats, but you have a choice to just do a one time payment but it is designed to discourage that.

    I will not get LP for iPad.

    I did buy 6 other DAW’s and I actually use 3 of them

    I travel extensively for long periods of time for my work, I am observant and base my opinions on the facts I have at the moment.

    Hey, a laundry subscription sounds like a good idea… especially if home pickup and delivery is included.

  • wimwim
    edited May 2023

    In the case of consumables the context of "subscription" changes. For instance, we are all on a subscription plan for food and energy. Stop paying and you stop eating and you freeze in winter. These are variable rate subscriptions but they're subscriptions all the same.

    If someone offers an attractive fixed-price subscription for food or energy or any other consumable or service, some people may prefer it. For instance, my energy provider offers an optional "even payment" plan to average out costs over the year. That can be helpful for people on a fixed income who get hammered with high utility bills in the winter.

    I don't see the point in coming unhinged over the spread of subscription models - at least as long as there is any competition in a market space for something non-essential such as a DAW.

    (This coming from someone who will never go subscription for iOS apps for my own reasons. Maybe I would make an exception for Logic Pro if I was interested in it, which I'm not. But for dozens of apps? No way.)

  • edited May 2023

    @wim said:
    I don't see the point in coming unhinged over the spread of subscription models

    Hey, this is the AudioBus Forum - people get unhinged here over the May 23rd release of a dopey music app! :smiley:

  • Each iOS developer offers whatever model they want and users will decide if it’s for them. It’s that simple. This is a forum and ultimately a place to discuss so all is fair.

  • @0tolerance4silence said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    Right on. I'm very at home in aum, the lovely experimental playground that it is.

    The limitations are what makes it, in many ways.

    I will probably not take to logic pro, but I'm excited to see what changes it brings about. As I've said in a few of these threads now - god there are so damn many lol - I hope this new era will actually force ios devs to take advantage of the touchscreen in a way that very few have done in recent years.

    Time will tell. I keep repeating this because I'm very keen that it should happen and I also think it's one of the only ways native ios devs can differentiate themselves.

    Do you have something specific in mind?
    Generally most of the requests I see here are about trying to mimic certain desktop workflow, or get exact desktop features.

    Instruments like tc-11, Samplr, Fluss etc is the kind of thing I mean

  • @ALB said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @ALB said:
    Does anyone think that some of the lower priced iOS apps will now find a bigger audience now that the division between iPad and desktop is becoming blurred?

    A couple more thoughts in no particular order:
    I buy way too many apps. It wasn’t a big deal before, but now that all the prices have risen, I’m starting to feel it. Good for devs, not so great for me. Time to exercise some restraint - not a bad thing at all. But also, would I have gotten into iOS if the prices had been higher?

    I share some of the unease that some posters have expressed, i.e. that the “fun” period for iOS is over and things are getting buttoned up and corporate. There’s no putting that genie in the bottle, but limitations and circumstances often fuel or create particular music genres (big bands of the 40s change to smaller more manageable combos, decent musical instruments/production/existing commercial venues become too expensive/inaccessible and so punk and rap are born, etc.). I wonder if the limitations of iOS have likewise given rise to more experimental forms. So many people want professional tools, but maybe that’s not the most creative path. Just a thought. Sorry to hijack this Logic/subscription thread…

    Right on. I'm very at home in aum, the lovely experimental playground that it is.

    The limitations are what makes it, in many ways.

    I will probably not take to logic pro, but I'm excited to see what changes it brings about. As I've said in a few of these threads now - god there are so damn many lol - I hope this new era will actually force ios devs to take advantage of the touchscreen in a way that very few have done in recent years.

    Time will tell. I keep repeating this because I'm very keen that it should happen and I also think it's one of the only ways native ios devs can differentiate themselves.

    Indeed. It’s funny, but one of the larger devs to come to iOS in recent years, Eventide, was greeted so enthusiastically (Of course I stupidly bought them all!) but I almost never use their apps, given their comparatively anodyne quality in comparison to offerings from smaller devs.

    Like you, I’m typically in AUM, but I was just messing with NS2 last night - wondering if I would really get more done and done better with Logic. Yeah, yeah, no audio tracks, but navigation is a breeze.

    Same... Blackhole is literally the only one I ever use, for some reason, though tap delay is also great.

  • Drambo were £20.

    Richest company wants subscription.

    I think they even added the dots on purpose because they thought Drambo would be big, whilst they were designing logic.

  • @sigma79 said:
    Drambo were £20.

    Richest company wants subscription.

    I think they even added the dots on purpose because they thought Drambo would be big, whilst they were designing logic.

    @sigma79 said:
    Drambo were £20.

    Richest company wants subscription.

    I think they even added the dots on purpose because they thought Drambo would be big, whilst they were designing logic.

    Added what dots?

  • Do Apple send an email each month to let you know that they took X amount of money for your subscription Y, Z, A, B or only at the beginning of the subscription?

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