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OT: The Rings of Power

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  • That plot swing at the end of the ep tho

  • @winconway said:

    @sevenape said:
    Weird how this series and the new got has revealed a lot of peoples hidden racism.

    Weird how any criticism has racism levied at it, to fit a narrative
    It also gets A LOT of press coverage for said show when the R card is played too.
    I have seen very little real "Hidden" racism around this series or the new GOT, in fact house of the dragon is getting a lot of praise.

    There were some complaints about the POC elves because Tolkien quite clearly described that race, and they were not POC, and the only complaints about the Harfoots is that a race of POC hobbits has been invented just to be completely wiped out, because they do not exist in later ages.
    Neither of those come under the term racism, unless you want to fit a narrative.

    Now lets look at the real complaints, which are very pointed and very numerous, Galadriel, she is getting absolutely tanked internet wide, and now even mainstream media is starting to call it "The Galadriel problem"
    Way way way more complaints about her than anything else, but wait, she's not POC.

    As for any real (and actually rare) racist comments about the POC characters, you will generally find they are made by some racist tossbag that has always been a racist tossbag and isn't hidden at all.

    I could care less about the POC characters, if it bothers people they have an off switch, but it is weird in recent times how many R cards are pulled when Hollywood writes another pile of garbage that is portrayed by a POC actor, the same thing was pulled with that horribly written character in Obi Wan, a character by the way that would have been horrible played by anybody of any size shape or color.

    I’ve definitely heard people complain about black elves and hobbits and dwarves. To my face and even in this thread. I don’t care about the press or the culture wars or whatever but as @Gavinski said there have been black hamlets since the 80s. If people have a hard time suspending their disbelief over a black elf or Lenny Henry as a hobbit just speaks about their prejudices.

    That the shows are both shit is another matter and nothing to do with women in powerful roles or people of colour.

  • EP 4 was the best one yet. Really enjoyed it.

  • I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

  • @Gavinski said:
    I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

    I’ll try to check it out. I keep hearing a lot of comments about her acting in other things but haven’t seen anything.

    Despite being somewhat neutral about her character in the first episode, I think her portrayal has grown on me quite a bit. I’m sure she knows the source material, and has apartes to the changes from that source material well. At first I couldn’t get out of my mind that it wasn’t Cate Blanchett (who really just played it very safe with the character), but that hasn’t been in my mind at all now.

    One of these days I’m going to buy the collection of Tolkien’s letters, as so many people who have read it have said that it’s really enlightening to read his own take on various aspects of his books and their characters.

  • I was thinking about the show again this afternoon, and think I’ll re-read the appendices this week, as it will help me get things set straight about some of the events of the second age.

  • edited September 18

    @Gavinski said:
    I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

    Yes, she's the best thing in it (ok, next to the visuals) – and this in a show that has Peter Mullen as the King of the Dwarves – even if her character is as excruciatingly written as all the others. Saint Maud was a harrowing watch but she was amazing in it, which is basically still the situation here.

    I don't know whether it was the absence of Harfoots or whether I'm just getting numbed to the awfulness, but I quite enjoyed this week's. Everyone else has probably long since realised what the season arc is, but the penny only just dropped with me that

    it's about which character will turn out to be Sauron, with Joseph Mawle as the reddest herring and either Gandalf guy or supposed king in exile as the reveal. I'm going with the latter because of the fishy business on the raft, but the former would be cooler.

    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

  • @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    :lol:

    Hanging out at Hot Topic no doubt…

  • @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

    Yes, she's the best thing in it (ok, next to the visuals) – and this in a show that has Peter Mullen as the King of the Dwarves – even if her character is as excruciatingly written as all the others. Saint Maud was a harrowing watch but she was amazing in it, which is basically still the situation here.

    I don't know whether it was the absence of Harfoots or whether I'm just getting numbed to the awfulness, but I quite enjoyed this week's. Everyone else has probably long since realised what the season arc is, but the penny only just dropped with me that

    it's about which character will turn out to be Sauron, with Joseph Mawle as the reddest herring and either Gandalf guy or supposed king in exile as the reveal. I'm going with the latter because of the fishy business on the raft, but the former would be cooler.

    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

    Yes, she's the best thing in it (ok, next to the visuals) – and this in a show that has Peter Mullen as the King of the Dwarves – even if her character is as excruciatingly written as all the others. Saint Maud was a harrowing watch but she was amazing in it, which is basically still the situation here.

    I don't know whether it was the absence of Harfoots or whether I'm just getting numbed to the awfulness, but I quite enjoyed this week's. Everyone else has probably long since realised what the season arc is, but the penny only just dropped with me that

    it's about which character will turn out to be Sauron, with Joseph Mawle as the reddest herring and either Gandalf guy or supposed king in exile as the reveal. I'm going with the latter because of the fishy business on the raft, but the former would be cooler.

    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

  • @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I hope the Galadriel hate does not extend to the actress who plays her - watch her in Saint Maud, certainly one of the best British actresses around.

    Yes, she's the best thing in it (ok, next to the visuals) – and this in a show that has Peter Mullen as the King of the Dwarves – even if her character is as excruciatingly written as all the others. Saint Maud was a harrowing watch but she was amazing in it, which is basically still the situation here.

    I don't know whether it was the absence of Harfoots or whether I'm just getting numbed to the awfulness, but I quite enjoyed this week's. Everyone else has probably long since realised what the season arc is, but the penny only just dropped with me that

    it's about which character will turn out to be Sauron, with Joseph Mawle as the reddest herring and either Gandalf guy or supposed king in exile as the reveal. I'm going with the latter because of the fishy business on the raft, but the former would be cooler.

    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    😂

  • @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    I'd never heard of mall goths, but it's quite the image search.

    It shows the importance of rolling your Tolkienian final Rs Ian McKellen-style. Galadriel seems to be the only character who can pronounce Númenor; in the speech of Númenor itself, whose accent seems to come from the sunset towers of Tufnell Park, everyone calls it Noomy-Naw, who sounds like a rejected character from In the Night Garden.

  • @Masanga said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    I'd never heard of mall goths, but it's quite the image search.

    It shows the importance of rolling your Tolkienian final Rs Ian McKellen-style. Galadriel seems to be the only character who can pronounce Númenor; in the speech of Númenor itself, whose accent seems to come from the sunset towers of Tufnell Park, everyone calls it Noomy-Naw, who sounds like a rejected character from In the Night Garden.

    Yeah, they're pretty inconsistent with the rolling 'r'

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    I'd never heard of mall goths, but it's quite the image search.

    It shows the importance of rolling your Tolkienian final Rs Ian McKellen-style. Galadriel seems to be the only character who can pronounce Númenor; in the speech of Númenor itself, whose accent seems to come from the sunset towers of Tufnell Park, everyone calls it Noomy-Naw, who sounds like a rejected character from In the Night Garden.

    Yeah, they're pretty inconsistent with the rolling 'r'

    Accents in general. It’s easy to spot the forced accents of the few American actors, but the regional English and ‘Irish’ accents are all over the place too.

    Not a good advertisement for the voice coaches on this, but to be honest it’s mostly something I can overlook.

  • @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    I'd never heard of mall goths, but it's quite the image search.

    It shows the importance of rolling your Tolkienian final Rs Ian McKellen-style. Galadriel seems to be the only character who can pronounce Númenor; in the speech of Númenor itself, whose accent seems to come from the sunset towers of Tufnell Park, everyone calls it Noomy-Naw, who sounds like a rejected character from In the Night Garden.

    Yeah, they're pretty inconsistent with the rolling 'r'

    Accents in general. It’s easy to spot the forced accents of the few American actors, but the regional English and ‘Irish’ accents are all over the place too.

    Not a good advertisement for the voice coaches on this, but to be honest it’s mostly something I can overlook.

    Yep.... Whoever was voice coaching this deserves to be thrown into the crack of doom 😂

  • Technically it’s pronounced crack of dum.

  • @Tarekith said:
    Technically it’s pronounced crack of dum.

    Or for the harfoots the craic of doom.

  • @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Masanga said:
    My daughter fell about at the mention of Morgoth, who she spent the episode thinking was called Mall Goth.

    Haha. The Mall Goths... Great name for a band

    Better jump on that one. Before you know it, there might be a boy band out of South Korea climbing the charts with that name.

    I'd never heard of mall goths, but it's quite the image search.

    It shows the importance of rolling your Tolkienian final Rs Ian McKellen-style. Galadriel seems to be the only character who can pronounce Númenor; in the speech of Númenor itself, whose accent seems to come from the sunset towers of Tufnell Park, everyone calls it Noomy-Naw, who sounds like a rejected character from In the Night Garden.

    Yeah, they're pretty inconsistent with the rolling 'r'

    Accents in general. It’s easy to spot the forced accents of the few American actors, but the regional English and ‘Irish’ accents are all over the place too.

    Not a good advertisement for the voice coaches on this, but to be honest it’s mostly something I can overlook.

    Yep.... Whoever was voice coaching this deserves to be thrown into the crack of doom 😂 > @michael_m said:

    @Tarekith said:
    Technically it’s pronounced crack of dum.

    Or for the harfoots the craic of doom.

    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

  • @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

  • @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

    I'm used to bad Irish accents 😂

    Also, the fact that the harfoots (even though it sounds like a perversion of 'halfwit 😂) doesn't bother me. I think the idea was to lend a rustic and playful tone, which the Southern Irish accent certainly does.

    Want some real Ireland?:


  • @Gavinski said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

    I'm used to bad Irish accents 😂

    Also, the fact that the harfoots (even though it sounds like a perversion of 'halfwit 😂) doesn't bother me. I think the idea was to lend a rustic and playful tone, which the Southern Irish accent certainly does.

    And in fairness, the inexplicably Scottish dwarves aren't as bad (to my Glaswegian ears, at least).

  • @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

    I'm used to bad Irish accents 😂

    Also, the fact that the harfoots (even though it sounds like a perversion of 'halfwit 😂) doesn't bother me. I think the idea was to lend a rustic and playful tone, which the Southern Irish accent certainly does.

    And in fairness, the inexplicably Scottish dwarves aren't as bad (to my Glaswegian ears, at least).

    They’re more consistent for sure, but for really bad you just have to listen to the huge variety of accents among the Numenorians - it’s as if no one is really trying.

  • @michael_m said:

    @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

    I'm used to bad Irish accents 😂

    Also, the fact that the harfoots (even though it sounds like a perversion of 'halfwit 😂) doesn't bother me. I think the idea was to lend a rustic and playful tone, which the Southern Irish accent certainly does.

    And in fairness, the inexplicably Scottish dwarves aren't as bad (to my Glaswegian ears, at least).

    They’re more consistent for sure, but for really bad you just have to listen to the huge variety of accents among the Numenorians - it’s as if no one is really trying.

    And therein lies the fundamental problem with this series. No attention to detail. Must be nice for the production company and their hires getting paid $1 billion for such sloppy work.

  • @NeuM said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Masanga said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @michael_m said:

    @Gavinski said:
    Hahahaha. Coming from Ireland, that cracked me up (and yes, you can't say craiced me up 😋). The craic here is good, nevertheless.

    I wasn’t born in Ireland, but have a lot of family in and around Belfast (where my father was born), so know a good deal of expressions and slang, and have good friends from over the border.

    To me the harfoots sound exactly like the way that English people do comedy ‘Irish’ accents, but the awfulness of some of it does make me smile.

    I'm used to bad Irish accents 😂

    Also, the fact that the harfoots (even though it sounds like a perversion of 'halfwit 😂) doesn't bother me. I think the idea was to lend a rustic and playful tone, which the Southern Irish accent certainly does.

    And in fairness, the inexplicably Scottish dwarves aren't as bad (to my Glaswegian ears, at least).

    They’re more consistent for sure, but for really bad you just have to listen to the huge variety of accents among the Numenorians - it’s as if no one is really trying.

    And therein lies the fundamental problem with this series. No attention to detail. Must be nice for the production company and their hires getting paid $1 billion for such sloppy work.

    Elendil’s daughter was the really obvious one to me. She doesn’t sound any different to the average British YouTuber from the south east of the country.

  • @michael_m said:
    Elendil’s daughter ...

    Elendil didn't have a daughter.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @michael_m said:
    Elendil’s daughter ...

    Elendil didn't have a daughter.

    On this kind of thing I think we need to give the producers some creative license. They paid huge amounts of money for access to a tiny amount of words. You can't make that work without a bit of 'going off script'.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @michael_m said:
    Elendil’s daughter ...

    Elendil didn't have a daughter.

    On this kind of thing I think we need to give the producers some creative license. They paid huge amounts of money for access to a tiny amount of words. You can't make that work without a bit of 'going off script'.

    All we know is that a daughter wasn’t mentioned in the books, so not too concerned about seeing one appear. I’m more concerned about her not turning up for her voice coaching lessons…

  • @Gavinski said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @michael_m said:
    Elendil’s daughter ...

    Elendil didn't have a daughter.

    On this kind of thing I think we need to give the producers some creative license. They paid huge amounts of money for access to a tiny amount of words. You can't make that work without a bit of 'going off script'.

    He had a perfectly serviceable brother called Anárion. No need to make up characters when a actual character exists.

  • @cyberheater said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @cyberheater said:

    @michael_m said:
    Elendil’s daughter ...

    Elendil didn't have a daughter.

    On this kind of thing I think we need to give the producers some creative license. They paid huge amounts of money for access to a tiny amount of words. You can't make that work without a bit of 'going off script'.

    He had a perfectly serviceable brother called Anárion. No need to make up characters when a actual character exists.

    Maybe Anárion’s personality in written sources doesn’t match what is required by the script so it’s more appropriate to have a different family member provide a particular voice?

    I really don’t think the addition of a sister is that big of a deal. I mean, who can say what is right or wrong about things that Tolkien didn’t write about at all? Significantly altering existing characters is one thing, but I don’t really see a problem with creating new ones.

  • @michael_m said:
    but I don’t really see a problem with creating new ones.

    She clearly has an important story arc in the tv series but it’s got nothing to do with Tolkiens work. That’s my problem with it.

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