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iOS randomly turns volume down "to protect my hearing" -- any way to turn this BS off?

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  • edited November 2020

    So I've decided to investigate this a little further.

    First of all, at least on the iPhone SE 1st generation, iOS seems to purely estimate the "headphone exposure" by the average level of the audio buffer that is being pushed to the output, and by the selected volume level.

    Neither the impedance of the connected device (headphones, line in, etc.) nor the actual environmental noise (that could be monitored through the device microphone, for example) seem to have any effect on the "graph" you get on that health page.

    i.e. -- play a quiet song, or at low volume -- low graph. Play a loud song or at high volume -- high graph. I've connected the phone to external speakers and neither the volume level of those speakers neither the distance of the phone from the speakers seemed to have any effect on the "graph" (tried several combinations for several minutes each).

    So, at least they're not eavesdropping on the microphone apparently!

    (the one drop in the level was when a new song started which had a very long, quiet intro).

    So, next step will be to jailbreak and see if I can find any configuration files etc. that could be related to this and see if this "feature" can be turned off or hacked. I'm hoping some editing in /etc or a `killall friggingEUVolumeMonitorService' will help.

  • I get that loudness warning on my old Samsung phone every now and then as well.

  • Well, let the fun begin! :D

  • Braver man than I.

  • If it turned down other people’s headphones...
    now that would be great feature.
    😆

  • @CracklePot said:
    If it turned down other people’s headphones...
    now that would be great feature.
    😆

    :D

  • edited November 2020

    Sooo. I've managed to stop the volume graph from updating by disabling the "healthd" service:

    launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.healthd.plist

    I'm almost sure this will stop the "friendly" volume adjustments from happening, but I'll leave the music running at full power for a few hours to be absolutely sure! ;)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @Max23 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Sequencer1 said:
    Check Volume Limit in Settings > Music, or in Settings > Health, if you've ever monitored headphone levels in the past, try deleting that data on that page.

    Or, if you're in Europe, then maybe that 85db headphone volume limit law is finally being enforced? in iOS14???
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_09_418

    Seriously, that is a LAW now? After limiting the power of vacuum cleaners and banning light bulbs, they're now enforcing volume limits on people privately listening to music on their own damn headphones? Seriously, any time I see the word "Europe", I start vomiting in circles. Do people really need to be spoonfed their lives like this?

    cough?
    you mean grandfathers light bulb that used 90% of its energy to produce heat and not light?
    giving you 120 db on your headphones certainly isn't the smartest idea either. ;)

    Well, I am my own person though and capable of taking my own life decisions, thanks ;) And my grandfather's light bulbs at least produce a continuous spectrum that is exactly the same as sunlight (natural), while everything else gives me a clusterf*ck of random spectral lines that I'm not sure are equivalent health-wise (tinfoil hat, I know... but... it's physics!)

    EDIT: And it's my energy bill that I pay myself, so why should the EU care how I use my energy that I pay for?

    Re energy use: Because when you add up all the individuals making environment wrecking decisions accumulated over decades, the consequences affect other people. So, society sometimes limits individual freedoms.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Max23 said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @Sequencer1 said:
    Check Volume Limit in Settings > Music, or in Settings > Health, if you've ever monitored headphone levels in the past, try deleting that data on that page.

    Or, if you're in Europe, then maybe that 85db headphone volume limit law is finally being enforced? in iOS14???
    https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/MEMO_09_418

    Seriously, that is a LAW now? After limiting the power of vacuum cleaners and banning light bulbs, they're now enforcing volume limits on people privately listening to music on their own damn headphones? Seriously, any time I see the word "Europe", I start vomiting in circles. Do people really need to be spoonfed their lives like this?

    cough?
    you mean grandfathers light bulb that used 90% of its energy to produce heat and not light?
    giving you 120 db on your headphones certainly isn't the smartest idea either. ;)

    Well, I am my own person though and capable of taking my own life decisions, thanks ;) And my grandfather's light bulbs at least produce a continuous spectrum that is exactly the same as sunlight (natural), while everything else gives me a clusterf*ck of random spectral lines that I'm not sure are equivalent health-wise (tinfoil hat, I know... but... it's physics!)

    EDIT: And it's my energy bill that I pay myself, so why should the EU care how I use my energy that I pay for?

    Re energy use: Because when you add up all the individuals making environment wrecking decisions accumulated over decades, the consequences affect other people. So, society sometimes limits individual freedoms.

    I'm basically with you there, but I have a problem with it if the alternatives are significantly worse in some aspects. Most LED and CFL bulbs have significant flicker and all of them have a useless spectrum, which may be an issue for some people.

    I'm pretty sure supranational regulation is not necessary. Most people would simply stop buying incandescent bulbs if the alternatives are cheaper and equivalent. People are not stupid (only governments think they are!). If there are a few "oddballs" like me who simply prefer incandescent bulbs, the environmental impact is probably minimal because it's 1% of the population.

    But maybe I shouldn't have brought the bulbs up. I agree they're definitely more "justified" than the ban on my personal headphones volume ;)

  • @SevenSystems said:
    Sooo. I've managed to stop the volume graph from updating by disabling the "healthd" service:

    launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.healthd.plist

    I'm almost sure this will stop the "friendly" volume adjustments from happening, but I'll leave the music running at full power for a few hours to be absolutely sure! ;)

    I'm impressed.

    Which version of iOS did you jailbreak and with which method?

    I did this only long long time ago on a 3G, IIRC.

  • edited November 2020

    @tja said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    Sooo. I've managed to stop the volume graph from updating by disabling the "healthd" service:

    launchctl unload /System/Library/LaunchDaemons/com.apple.healthd.plist

    I'm almost sure this will stop the "friendly" volume adjustments from happening, but I'll leave the music running at full power for a few hours to be absolutely sure! ;)

    I'm impressed.

    Which version of iOS did you jailbreak and with which method?

    I did this only long long time ago on a 3G, IIRC.

    I used the checkra1n exploit (works on iOS 14.2 but is in Beta). It didn't work on my main machine, probably due to a dodgy USB chipset. Had to use my 8 year old ASUS laptop instead :neutral:

    I can definitely confirm that the problem is gone btw, iPhone has now been going on at full volume for hours and the Health app is completely dead. wipesoffsweat (will I get sick now I wonder?)

  • I find this a huge issue in my car, where the volume of the first sound played after I start it will determine a level of attenuation of the sound. It’s quite common for me to get in the car, expect to find the volume at the same level as the last time I drove listening to the same music, and finding its way quieter.

    At the very least I’d like some level of control rather than be completely at the mercy of an algorithm that is essentially very inconsistent in determining if music is ‘too loud’.

  • @michael_m said:
    I find this a huge issue in my car, where the volume of the first sound played after I start it will determine a level of attenuation of the sound. It’s quite common for me to get in the car, expect to find the volume at the same level as the last time I drove listening to the same music, and finding its way quieter.

    At the very least I’d like some level of control rather than be completely at the mercy of an algorithm that is essentially very inconsistent in determining if music is ‘too loud’.

    That sounds like it might be a different issue though. The issue I've been dealing with is a constant monitoring of audio output levels in the background, and then a forced drop in volume when the iPhone thinks it's "damaging to my hearing". i.e. it takes an average over a few minutes and then decides. So it might be different to your problem.

  • Does sound like it’s not quite the same. I must admit I don’t listen to music on my iPhone that much, and haven’t heard any attenuation when I do, but it’s very noticeable in my car.

    I don’t ever really listen to anything that loud though, so maybe I’m listening under whatever threshold is set.

  • @michael_m said:
    Does sound like it’s not quite the same. I must admit I don’t listen to music on my iPhone that much, and haven’t heard any attenuation when I do, but it’s very noticeable in my car.

    I don’t ever really listen to anything that loud though, so maybe I’m listening under whatever threshold is set.

    The main problem is that the phone has no way to know the ACTUAL volume of the sound. For example, to listen to music in my car (which is old, like most of my stuff ;)), I plug a little FM (radio) transmitter into the headphone jack, to which I then tune my car radio. I then NEED to set the phone to full volume because the radio transmitter's input is not very sensitive. Otherwise I can't get any reasonable volume level from the car radio.

    But the phone will still "think" I'm "damaging my hearing" because it is set to full volume and Apple's engineers apparently couldn't figure out a way to measure the impedance of the device plugged into the headphone jack, which would give them a clue that it is plugged into a LINE input and thus not headphones.

    (sorry getting a bit technical here...)

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  • @Max23 said:
    iPad os has certain nanny functions now. :D
    I read a few pages in a book
    all of a sudden I got some system notification that I have archived some goal
    WTF

    I can try to come up with a hack for that, but you'll have to pay me by the hour :D

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  • @SevenSystems said:
    But the phone will still "think" I'm "damaging my hearing" because it is set to full volume and Apple's engineers apparently couldn't figure out a way to measure the impedance of the device plugged into the headphone jack, which would give them a clue that it is plugged into a LINE input and thus not headphones.

    (sorry getting a bit technical here...)

    Ah, gotcha. That is a little weird, as it’s easy enough to determine the impedance of something connected to a circuit (not too technical at all though, I have a degree in electronic engineering).

    Surprised no one at Apple thought that one through. I actually connect my iPhone to my car via lightning connector using CarPlay, but I’m pretty sure it’s the car rather than my phone doing it to me as it’s the same regardless of the device that’s providing the sound.

  • edited November 2020

    It's weird you have this issue. I remember I've seen the same annoying notification too sometime ago, but I did something and it never occurred to me again. I am also in EU so it's the same law-enforced limit that every producer of any device that you can plug headphones in has to follow.
    I have both iPad and iPhone, I even changed both for newer models last year and I haven't seen this warning for years. I regularly use headphones, on iPad I have headphone jack, on iPhone I am plugging them via lightning->jack adapter.
    I have it updated to the latest 14.2 (but don't remember such thing on 13, I'd say that I've seen it last time even before 12...)
    So you definitely don't need to jailbreak your device or do any magic. Obviously this setting is remembered on iCloud too as I did not have to set it up specifically on new devices. Unfortunately, can't tell you exactly what I did, but it's definitely possible to get rid of it some "official" way.

  • @skrat Check the discussion in this link I posted. It may require a device restore to begin experiencing this new feature. While you don't have it, you're lucky.

  • Here's the latest from the thread linked above (end of Page 4):

  • Can we weave a conspiracy theory into this thread? I think someone is trying to make @SevenSystems deaf so he sticks to MIDI and never releases Xequence Audio Workstation: The XAW.

    Think Diffenent: XAW your Music into chunks!

    I came, I XAW'ed... (I cleaned up). - a campaign for ASMR Porn sites.

    I wonder if @SevenSystems can do a "Sexit" (@sevensystems leaves the EU). Maybe the EU can acknowledge "@sevensystems has left the building."

    When my IOS devices start making me notice I'm going deaf I'll be really upset but the music will probably sound better.

  • We need a class action lawsuit on basis of age discrimination. Us old farts need higher volume than the kids.

  • What did he say?

  • THE TRIPLE LOCK IS NO LONGER SAFE! :D

  • edited November 2020

    I'm not sure if it's funny or sad that even submitting this problem to Apple using their user feedback form is impossible because their feedback form itself is riddled with bugs:

    1) My email address is marked as "invalid", while I'm sure "from experience" :D that it's completely valid
    2) They're apparently too busy adding new animoji for updating their list of iOS versions :D :D :D (seriously dude, is this real? Why doesn't that just automatically get its list of iOS versions from some, errr, server?)

    That is the software quality you get from one of the richest companies on Earth. Insane!

  • edited November 2020

    @McD said:
    Can we weave a conspiracy theory into this thread? I think someone is trying to make @SevenSystems deaf so he sticks to MIDI and never releases Xequence Audio Workstation: The XAW.

    Think Diffenent: XAW your Music into chunks!

    I came, I XAW'ed... (I cleaned up). - a campaign for ASMR Porn sites.

    I wonder if @SevenSystems can do a "Sexit" (@sevensystems leaves the EU). Maybe the EU can acknowledge "@sevensystems has left the building."

    :D you should definitely get your own comedy show on primetime TV ;)

    The "Sexit" is definitely on the cards, though I think in the general direction the whole WORLD is going, maybe a "Wexit" would be the only possible solution by now :/

  • @SevenSystems said:

    That is the software quality you get from one of the richest companies on Earth. Insane!

    Nobody is forcing you to stay with the platform if it annoys you that much...

  • edited November 2020

    @Samu said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    That is the software quality you get from one of the richest companies on Earth. Insane!

    Nobody is forcing you to stay with the platform if it annoys you that much...

    Errr, tell me a different mobile platform that has the kind of audio and MIDI support?

    Honestly though. Are people THAT happy about everything nowadays that it's considered somehow offensive when I criticize one of the richest companies on Earth for their inability to properly upkeep one of the top 10 most used forms on the web? Come on.

    EDIT: I know I'm generally frustrated recently due to other reasons so I may be slightly over-critical. But the essence is still valid! ;)

    EDIT 2: And someone might say "yeah, no wonder your email address is seen as invalid -- it has that strange '.systems' at the end". True, the TLD "systems" has only been available for about 7 years, so it's relatively "new"... but even if I'd concede on that point, it means that they're probably using some kind of hard-coded regex check or something to validate e-mail addresses... which is kindof cheap. They should do a DNS lookup to check validity.

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