Bitwig 3.0 (Grid) is live

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  • Woooooooohhhhhh! 🌈

  • So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

  • Im still waiting for more windows tablets which are fan-less and a lower price point but I really like to make the jump to bitwig touch.

  • edited July 10

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

  • @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Do you use it much on the suface pro?

  • edited July 10

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Cool. How is it touch wise? Do they use multi-touch well? The GUI lets you scale and configure things, right? Just curious how mobile friendly it is. I can use BM3 walking down the street. Wondering if a GUI tweeked Bitwig on Surface Pro 3 is as OK for mobile (ie. walking).

    edit: hmmm, wonder about the surface go... etc.. hmm, pro looks too big etc

  • @TrevorLlewellyn @AudioGus Bitwig out of all the desktop DAWs is the best for touch friendly use I find it has a tablet mode that goes way beyond Ableton Live tablet mode.

    No desktop DAW is ever going to be as good as a iPad for this so sometimes you have to pull out the pencil and mouse.

    See Robin Vincent video a few years back.

    Been using the beta version of Bitwig 3 since it dropped in May pretty impressed with the Grid.

  • edited July 10

    @AudioGus said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Cool. How is it touch wise? Do they use multi-touch well? The GUI lets you scale and configure things, right? Just curious how mobile friendly it is. I can use BM3 walking down the street. Wondering if a GUI tweeked Bitwig on Surface Pro 3 is as OK for mobile (ie. walking).

    edit: hmmm, wonder about the surface go... etc.. hmm, pro looks too big etc

    Props to you for doing more than walking down the street when you’re walking down the street. I can barely uni-task.

    I tried walking in circles in the house and it was definitely do-able: finger drumming, sequencer editing, clip launching etc. Surface Pro 3 is lighter that the original iPad, if that tells you anything. Pretty easy to one-hand it, while goofing around on the touchscreen. Only downside to the earlier models like Surface Pro 3, especially with that i7 on board, is that the baby gets hot...

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    @TrevorLlewellyn @AudioGus Bitwig out of all the desktop DAWs is the best for touch friendly use I find it has a tablet mode that goes way beyond Ableton Live tablet mode.

    No desktop DAW is ever going to be as good as a iPad for this so sometimes you have to pull out the pencil and mouse.

    See Robin Vincent video a few years back.

    Been using the beta version of Bitwig 3 since it dropped in May pretty impressed with the Grid.

    @Littlewoodg said:

    @AudioGus said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Cool. How is it touch wise? Do they use multi-touch well? The GUI lets you scale and configure things, right? Just curious how mobile friendly it is. I can use BM3 walking down the street. Wondering if a GUI tweeked Bitwig on Surface Pro 3 is as OK for mobile (ie. walking).

    edit: hmmm, wonder about the surface go... etc.. hmm, pro looks too big etc

    Props to you for doing more than walking down the street when you’re walking down the street. I can barely uni-task.

    I tried walking in circles in the house and it was definitely do-able: finger drumming, sequencer editing, clip launching etc. Surface Pro 3 is lighter that the original iPad, if that tells you anything. Pretty easy to one-hand it, while goofing around on the touchscreen. Only downside to the earlier models like Surface Pro 3, especially with that i7 on board, is that the baby gets hot...

    Cool, thanks Homies. I really appreciate the thoughts. I have looked at this video a couple times and it was hard to get a read on it as far as touch given that he is explaining rather than flying. Would love to see a tablet/touch/bitwig master whipping around, even I could not follow what they are doing exactly.

    But yah. Certainly on my radar and if in a year or two there is no real big leaps in iOS land (or if I magically land in a pile of dough (you never know)) I may just consider it.

  • @TrevorLlewellyn said:
    Im still waiting for more windows tablets which are fan-less and a lower price point but I really like to make the jump to bitwig touch.

    interesting.... would you happen to have a current best recommendation that comes without the fan?

  • @kobamoto said:

    @TrevorLlewellyn said:
    Im still waiting for more windows tablets which are fan-less and a lower price point but I really like to make the jump to bitwig touch.

    interesting.... would you happen to have a current best recommendation that comes without the fan?

    One of the surface pro 6 models is fan-less. The i5 processor model.

  • Pretty easy to one-hand it, while goofing around on the touchscreen. Only downside to the earlier models like Surface Pro 3, especially with that i7 on board, is that the baby gets hot

    Is the heat a big problem? I just picked one up on eBay cheap with the i7 and it does seem scary hot.

  • edited July 11

    @BiancaNeve said:
    Pretty easy to one-hand it, while goofing around on the touchscreen. Only downside to the earlier models like Surface Pro 3, especially with that i7 on board, is that the baby gets hot

    Is the heat a big problem? I just picked one up on eBay cheap with the i7 and it does seem scary hot.

    I’m on i7 pro 3 too. Agree, gets reeeeally hot! But unless using it while you’re standing it’s not really an issue for me tho as can use the rear kick stand to angle it slightly off lap. So I actually feel less heat than using a hot iPad on my lap....

    Re bitwig, it’s great on surface. Yeah some things you’re better using the pen (or keys shortcuts if you have the keyboard attached at the time), but it balances out against iOS because you feel like you’re using pen/keys for these things because they enable more powerful functionality/options/more focused workflow etc... I’d say vs iOS it’s no better or worse for overall touch daw worklfow. Balances in different ways....But way better than most of iOS daws for features/workflow....but of course it’s more expensive too :/

    My main complaint with the pro 3 is just the size/weight. Compared to a 2017 9.7” ipad it feels a lot less like something you wanna pick up and casually throw around etc.

  • @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

  • @EyeOhEss said:
    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    This has not been my experience with the DAWs I use (Presonus Studio One and Ableton). They’re not designed for touch, and the Surface Pro screen is a little too small to use comfortably. Maschine is decent, thanks to the control surface and simple layout of the program.

    And outside of the programs, as @ErrkaPetti said, you are fighting the OS for usability.

  • @ksound said:

    @EyeOhEss said:
    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    This has not been my experience with the DAWs I use (Presonus Studio One and Ableton). They’re not designed for touch, and the Surface Pro screen is a little too small to use comfortably. Maschine is decent, thanks to the control surface and simple layout of the program.

    And outside of the programs, as @ErrkaPetti said, you are fighting the OS for usability.

    Yeah for me Ableton is ‘mouse + keyboard’ or it can be hellish on purely touchscreen. But it was never designed with touch in mind, so it is what it is...

    Having Ableton on tablet is often still worthwhile though, sometimes I open it and get something going and just kill the session when I lose patience with it. Then can flip it over to desktop later. Total project/plugins intergration between the two machines is a big USP for me.

    I don’t find the OS ‘too’ bad, if I make icons etc bigger and everything a similar size to iOS then its much more comparable... Files system etc is way better for me on Surface....I like lots of stuff viewable on screen at once so I choose to deal with things being smaller/fiddler than they are in iOS. But really it’s not ‘bad’ imho... I feel like most of the compromises are by my own choice/settings.... Still nowhere near as many nice touch apps available though.

  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    But, iPad contra Windows touch interfaces (also Android tablets) is a combat like David & Goliat!
    The response and quickness you’ve gotten on iPad is unbelievable good, with superlow latency compare to Win/Android, and, therefore I would’nt be sure that the coming Beatmaker 3 desktop edition will have the same user experience that we have on our beloved iPads...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for one application (to be precise), and that’s Affinity Publisher!
    Both Affinity Photo and Designer on my iPad Pro is good enough compare to the desktop editions, but, as long as Publisher is just Mac/Win my 2-in-1 HP Spectre X360 is a must on the field and away from my iMac27/5K...

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    But, iPad contra Windows touch interfaces (also Android tablets) is a combat like David & Goliat!
    The response and quickness you’ve gotten on iPad is unbelievable good, with superlow latency compare to Win/Android, and, therefore I would’nt be sure that the coming Beatmaker 3 desktop edition will have the same user experience that we have on our beloved iPads...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for one application (to be precise), and that’s Affinity Publisher! Worth every penny (1700$)...
    Both Affinity Photo and Designer on my iPad Pro is good enough compare to the desktop editions, but, as long as Publisher is just Mac/Win my 2-in-1 HP Spectre X360 is a must on the field and away from my iMac27/5K...

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    But, iPad contra Windows touch interfaces (also Android tablets) is a combat like David & Goliat!
    The response and quickness you’ve gotten on iPad is unbelievable good, with superlow latency compare to Win/Android, and, therefore I would’nt be sure that the coming Beatmaker 3 desktop edition will have the same user experience that we have on our beloved iPads...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for one application (to be precise), and that’s Affinity Publisher!
    Both Affinity Photo and Designer on my iPad Pro is good enough compare to the desktop editions, but, as long as Publisher is just Mac/Win my 2-in-1 HP Spectre X360 is a must on the field and away from my iMac27/5K...

    I genuinely don’t feel any considerable extra latency between daw work on bitwig on Surface P3 and daw work on iPad. Same with general OS taps etc....It’s probably there if you say it is and I’m not arguing that, but it’s something that’s never even crossed my mind in use....
    Android is probably a different story but I’ve never touched an Android tablet and not planning to any time soon ;)

  • @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    But, iPad contra Windows touch interfaces (also Android tablets) is a combat like David & Goliat!
    The response and quickness you’ve gotten on iPad is unbelievable good, with superlow latency compare to Win/Android, and, therefore I would’nt be sure that the coming Beatmaker 3 desktop edition will have the same user experience that we have on our beloved iPads...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for one application (to be precise), and that’s Affinity Publisher!
    Both Affinity Photo and Designer on my iPad Pro is good enough compare to the desktop editions, but, as long as Publisher is just Mac/Win my 2-in-1 HP Spectre X360 is a must on the field and away from my iMac27/5K...

    I genuinely don’t feel any considerable extra latency between daw work on bitwig on Surface P3 and daw work on iPad. Same with general OS taps etc....It’s probably there if you say it is and I’m not arguing that, but it’s something that’s never even crossed my mind in use....
    Android is probably a different story but I’ve never touched an Android tablet and not planning to any time soon ;)

    But, you must agree that with the MS Pencil in the hand and controlling Win10 there’s a lot of taping with the pencil that the WinOS never register...
    It’s the same behavior within Win10 on my HP Spectre X360, so it’s not specific to Surface Pro...

    But, as several had said earlier, a desktop system is superior to iOS when it comes to advanced software and a complete filesystem to use...
    But, the iPad is so fuckin’ good at what it can do and are out of competion still...

  • @ErrkaPetti said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @EyeOhEss said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:

    @Jumpercollins said:

    @AudioGus said:
    So any of my forum homies using Bitwig on a touch tablet thingy?

    @AudioGus Using it on a surface Pro 3 no problem

    Here I must say what I think about Windows and tablets...

    I have two of them, one Microsoft Surface Pro 4 (i5-8GBRAM-256GB) and one brand new HP Spectre X360 13.3” (i7-4core, 16GBRAM-512GB-4K screen), but, none of them is especially fun to use as tablets...
    If you have had iPads for nine years, and a dito with Apple Pencil for four years, non of the competitor come close to Apples way to deliver pleasure...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for running the Affinity Suite on the go, and not for music making...
    But, IF Apple ever would manufacture a Macbook Pro with touchscreen (and Pencil support) I would sell my HP immediately!

    But, the HP Spextre X360 is fuckin’ good looking, maybe the best looking laptop on the market just now...

    But, the touch experience on Windows have a lot to catch before the iPad dito...

    To me it depends on a lot..Like what you’re using it for. As an all rounder touch device for day to day tasks etc iPads beat Surface for me.. pretty clearly too.... And for just picking it up and randomly looking for inspiration iPad wins for me too. There are more touch friendly music apps and my iPad is lighter and smaller than my Surface...

    But as soon as I’m inside a daw they’re basically both the same thing as far as I’m concerned...Running BM3 on Surface would be no different to me than running it on an iPad (tho minus ram restrictions etc)....unless they crash or whatever. But Ive had more crashes in iOS daws than I do in Bitwig on Surface....

    But, iPad contra Windows touch interfaces (also Android tablets) is a combat like David & Goliat!
    The response and quickness you’ve gotten on iPad is unbelievable good, with superlow latency compare to Win/Android, and, therefore I would’nt be sure that the coming Beatmaker 3 desktop edition will have the same user experience that we have on our beloved iPads...

    I bought my new HP Spectre X360 just for one application (to be precise), and that’s Affinity Publisher!
    Both Affinity Photo and Designer on my iPad Pro is good enough compare to the desktop editions, but, as long as Publisher is just Mac/Win my 2-in-1 HP Spectre X360 is a must on the field and away from my iMac27/5K...

    I genuinely don’t feel any considerable extra latency between daw work on bitwig on Surface P3 and daw work on iPad. Same with general OS taps etc....It’s probably there if you say it is and I’m not arguing that, but it’s something that’s never even crossed my mind in use....
    Android is probably a different story but I’ve never touched an Android tablet and not planning to any time soon ;)

    But, you must agree that with the MS Pencil in the hand and controlling Win10 there’s a lot of taping with the pencil that the WinOS never register...
    It’s the same behavior within Win10 on my HP Spectre X360, so it’s not specific to Surface Pro...

    But, as several had said earlier, a desktop system is superior to iOS when it comes to advanced software and a complete filesystem to use...
    But, the iPad is so fuckin’ good at what it can do and are out of competion still...

    iOS had a big head start over Surface for touch development/refinement and 3rd party touch focused software....Windows had a big headstart over iPad for deeper functionality development/refinement and pro grade 3rd party software.... Seems pretty inevitable they’ll both meet in the middle at some point over next few years :) They’re headed the same place but from different directions....

  • Wow, thanks for all the head stuff... biggest standout for me at this point is the heat issue I think. As a walker/jammer I tend to use pretty beefy (not good for heat) cases with my iPad. Would hate to be paranoid about heat issues on an extra hot tablet.

  • @AudioGus said:
    Wow, thanks for all the head stuff... biggest standout for me at this point is the heat issue I think. As a walker/jammer I tend to use pretty beefy (not good for heat) cases with my iPad. Would hate to be paranoid about heat issues on an extra hot tablet.

    Surface Pro 3 is known for the heat. If you have the coin it’s been sorted in subsequent models- I just work with it, the trade offs are reasonable for me but not everyone.

  • @Littlewoodg said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Wow, thanks for all the head stuff... biggest standout for me at this point is the heat issue I think. As a walker/jammer I tend to use pretty beefy (not good for heat) cases with my iPad. Would hate to be paranoid about heat issues on an extra hot tablet.

    Surface Pro 3 is known for the heat. If you have the coin it’s been sorted in subsequent models-

    Good to hear. Yah it is certainly on my radar.

  • @EyeOhEss said:
    iOS had a big head start over Surface for touch development/refinement and 3rd party touch focused software....Windows had a big headstart over iPad for deeper functionality development/refinement and pro grade 3rd party software.... Seems pretty inevitable they’ll both meet in the middle at some point over next few years :) They’re headed the same place but from different directions....

    This sounds true, but it isn’t. Windows has regressed on touch since the transition from 8.1 to 10, and because of the user backlash to 8 and the failure of the Windows App Store, I don’t see an increase in developers working on touch for Windows. IpadOS, on the other side, does seem to be headed in the right direction. I’m not anti-Windows either, I love my desktop PC.

  • @ksound said:

    @EyeOhEss said:
    iOS had a big head start over Surface for touch development/refinement and 3rd party touch focused software....Windows had a big headstart over iPad for deeper functionality development/refinement and pro grade 3rd party software.... Seems pretty inevitable they’ll both meet in the middle at some point over next few years :) They’re headed the same place but from different directions....

    This sounds true, but it isn’t. Windows has regressed on touch since the transition from 8.1 to 10, and because of the user backlash to 8 and the failure of the Windows App Store, I don’t see an increase in developers working on touch for Windows. IpadOS, on the other side, does seem to be headed in the right direction. I’m not anti-Windows either, I love my desktop PC.

    Hard to say how it’ll play out really... competitions good for us users so may the best man win :)

    But there’s a lot of potential subtle ebbs and flows that could steer things in any direction at any moment. Like if more iOS devs decide to follow apps like Spacecraft with cross platform then landscapes could change in quite a short time and possibly begin to see more cross platform releases...even now there’s audio damage, fabilter, sugarbytes etc... it’s not like there’s an impossible divide... I think some of the newer coding languages or compilers or whatever make things quite a lot easier to write for both iOS & VST simultaneously than things used to be, at least that’s what I took from some things I read a while back. Maybe I misunderstood though so take that with a pinch of salt ;)

    As for the windows store failing. That’s a good thing from my POV, last thing I’d like to see on Windows is any kind of App Store type monopoly. New desktop software arrives daily, big stuff. Junk stuff, free stuff....no need for a store ;)

  • being that the main programs in question don't even run on an iPad no matter how great it is shortens the length of any comparison considerably imho... it's an only game in town kind of situation if you want to run ableton, bitwig, fL studio (the real one), etc...

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