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Best AUv3 for Sidechain Ducking?

What are you all currently using for applying sidechain (ducking) within Loopy Pro.

What I would like is an AUv3 that can receive audio from my kick drum loop, and use that as the source for ducking all the other loops. Does this exist?

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  • @GreedySpark said:
    What are you all currently using for applying sidechain (ducking) within Loopy Pro.

    What I would like is an AUv3 that can receive audio from my kick drum loop, and use that as the source for ducking all the other loops. Does this exist?

    Woodpressor , I believe, is what people use for side chain in Loopy Pro as it has a trick for side chaining in hosts that don’t handle multi-in/out plugins

  • Ah yes, I recall hearing about this when I started with Loopy Pro a couple years back. I’ll check it out again. Thanks!

  • I bought Audio Damage Pumphouse back in the days when Cubasis did not have side chain. I still use it all the time. It's super easy and you don't need to side chain nothing.

  • How about the Amplitude Envelope follow action? Configure the AE in the kick loop to control the volume of the others. You only have to invert the AE signal in the actions settings (min. max. etc). I just tried to do this with live audio today, but failed. @espiegel123 said it only works with recorded loops, so might work for you: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/61275/amplitude-envelope-follow-action-not-working

  • @ecou said:
    I bought Audio Damage Pumphouse back in the days when Cubasis did not have side chain. I still use it all the time. It's super easy and you don't need to side chain nothing.

    Started using this recently. I have other things that can do it, that with some work can do a bit more maybe. but this is really intuitive and gives great results very quickly.

  • wimwim
    edited June 23

    FAC Envolver can be used for this and is very flexible. You can send the kick to Envolver, then use the CC's it outputs to control as many other parameters as you like.

    Sidechain compression is great, but just works on the compressor. I prefer this more flexible approach in a lot of cases. For example, it can give the flexibility to duck just a range of frequencies by automating a notch filter or EQ band, or to affect multiple targets all in different ways.

    It's not always a good approach, especially if there ends up being "zipper noise" from whatever is being modulated being limited to the 128 values available from a midi CC.

  • edited June 23

    Flux Pro is my tool of choice for sidechain pumping. It may not be everyone's cuppa, but it does the job for me quite well. Flexible LFO envelopes, and any number of built-in effects can be manipulated with it. It's also capable of sending out MIDI Control data to any plugin (so long as the host supports that type of routing, such as within AUM). It's like Nicky Romero's Kickstart 2 vst but on steroids.

  • @wim said:
    FAC Envolver can be used for this and is very flexible. You can send the kick to Envolver, then use the CC's it outputs to control as many other parameters as you like.

    Sidechain compression is great, but just works on the compressor. I prefer this more flexible approach in a lot of cases. For example, it can give the flexibility to duck just a range of frequencies by automating a notch filter or EQ band, or to affect multiple targets all in different ways.

    It's not always a good approach, especially if there ends up being "zipper noise" from whatever is being modulated being limited to the 128 values available from a midi CC.

    I don't even know how to use CC in Cubasis. That's why I use Pumphouse Easy peasy.

  • Thanks for > @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Flux Pro is my tool of choice for sidechain pumping. It may not be everyone's cuppa, but it does the job for me quite well. Flexible LFO envelopes, and any number of built-in effects can be manipulated with it. It's also capable of sending out MIDI Control data to any plugin (so long as the host supports that type of routing, such as within AUM). It's like Nicky Romero's Kickstart 2 vst but on steroids.

    I've used FluxMini in Loopy Pro for a "fakechain" where you simply set the compressor to trigger every beat. Works well for EDM that always has four on the floor, but I didn't think it could receive audio from another source within Loopy Pro. Note that Loopy Pro itself doesn't support that type of routing. Does Flux Pro allow the instances of Flux Pro to communicate with each other in Loopy Pro?

  • @ecou said:
    I bought Audio Damage Pumphouse back in the days when Cubasis did not have side chain. I still use it all the time. It's super easy and you don't need to side chain nothing.

    This is interesting, but am I reading the description correctly that you have to manually sequence the sidechain and that it doesn't actually follow an audio input? That won't work for my use case, since I change drum grooves throughout the performance and am looking for something to follow my kick drum loops, whatever they may be spitting out.

  • @GreedySpark said:
    Thanks for > @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    Flux Pro is my tool of choice for sidechain pumping. It may not be everyone's cuppa, but it does the job for me quite well. Flexible LFO envelopes, and any number of built-in effects can be manipulated with it. It's also capable of sending out MIDI Control data to any plugin (so long as the host supports that type of routing, such as within AUM). It's like Nicky Romero's Kickstart 2 vst but on steroids.

    I've used FluxMini in Loopy Pro for a "fakechain" where you simply set the compressor to trigger every beat. Works well for EDM that always has four on the floor, but I didn't think it could receive audio from another source within Loopy Pro. Note that Loopy Pro itself doesn't support that type of routing. Does Flux Pro allow the instances of Flux Pro to communicate with each other in Loopy Pro?

    Ah, Flux Pro and FluxMini don't receive incoming audio signals for typical EDM stuff. (Although I will say Flux Pro is also great for creating evolving soundscapes at 20bpm in AUM, which is what I originally used it for.) I have no clue if Loopy Pro has MIDI CC routing like AUM has tbqh, but in AUM I'm sure there are ways to control a knob in Flux Pro using another instance of Flux Pro.

  • @wim said:
    FAC Envolver can be used for this and is very flexible. You can send the kick to Envolver, then use the CC's it outputs to control as many other parameters as you like.

    Sidechain compression is great, but just works on the compressor. I prefer this more flexible approach in a lot of cases. For example, it can give the flexibility to duck just a range of frequencies by automating a notch filter or EQ band, or to affect multiple targets all in different ways.

    It's not always a good approach, especially if there ends up being "zipper noise" from whatever is being modulated being limited to the 128 values available from a midi CC.

    Interesting. So if I'm reading this correctly, you would:
    1) Send the kick audio to Envolver.
    2) Setup midi from Envolver to another effects app that has a compressor
    3) Set CCs on both Envolver and the other effects app so the CC's trigger the compressor (or volume or cutoff or whatever I chose to get that pumping effect)

    Seems like a bit of setup, but if it works and there's not a simpler solution, I'll give it a go :)

  • In case others are interested, I tested both Woodpressor and AudioScope (after watching some youtube videos from SoundForMore) for sidechaining and here are my thoughts:

    1) Woodpressor: It theoretically "worked," but after a fair bit of fiddling, I couldn't get that classic EDM pumping that allows space for kick drum to breath, without compromising the bass too much. I'm not all that familiar with compressors, so it could be operator error.

    2) AudioScope: This worked beautifully...kind of. Easy setup and I got the pumping sound I wanted with only a few moments of fiddling. Sounded great. BUT, the AUv3 doesn't seem to be saving states, so every time I re-open Loopy Pro, the sidechain has to be setup again.

  • I think roughrider has sidechain but i can’t recall lol

  • @GreedySpark said:

    @wim said:
    FAC Envolver can be used for this and is very flexible. You can send the kick to Envolver, then use the CC's it outputs to control as many other parameters as you like.

    Sidechain compression is great, but just works on the compressor. I prefer this more flexible approach in a lot of cases. For example, it can give the flexibility to duck just a range of frequencies by automating a notch filter or EQ band, or to affect multiple targets all in different ways.

    It's not always a good approach, especially if there ends up being "zipper noise" from whatever is being modulated being limited to the 128 values available from a midi CC.

    Interesting. So if I'm reading this correctly, you would:
    1) Send the kick audio to Envolver.
    2) Setup midi from Envolver to another effects app that has a compressor

    Doesn't have to be a compressor.

    3) Set CCs on both Envolver and the other effects app so the CC's trigger the compressor (or volume or cutoff or whatever I chose to get that pumping effect)

    Seems like a bit of setup, but if it works and there's not a simpler solution, I'll give it a go :)

    It's not the simplest setup. It can be a more flexible setup though since you can use the outputted CC automation to automate just about anything (AUM Fader, EQ band volume, notch filter amount) and any combination of controls too whereas a side chain compressor is only going to affect compression.

    But, since that classic pumping sound is what you're after, yes, a side chain compressor is the simplest route. I only mentioned it as something to possibly keep in mind for other uses.

  • @catherder said:
    How about the Amplitude Envelope follow action? Configure the AE in the kick loop to control the volume of the others. You only have to invert the AE signal in the actions settings (min. max. etc). I just tried to do this with live audio today, but failed. @espiegel123 said it only works with recorded loops, so might work for you: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/61275/amplitude-envelope-follow-action-not-working

    Smart! Didn't even know about the follow actions. I've tried routing the Amp Envelope Follower to a few different things (Flux, Volume of the applicable bus). Not a whole lot of flexibility to dial in the exact effect, but definitely works!

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