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Is Cubasis better than Logic, and why?

I hear a lot more negative about Logic than I do about Cubasis. I figure the Logic bashing is more to its pricing model and the fact that it’s Apple, which I don’t have an issue with either, but with Cubasis being on sale, I wanted to see what you all thought.

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  • edited May 14

    From my experience, Cubasis has more flexible midi routing, a better pricing model, and is currently less buggy with AUV3 plugins (which I’m sure Logic will improve in over time). Logic wins in every other category, from what I can tell.

  • For people using multiple OS/platforms, it has to be Cubasis.

  • Logic now has MIDI routing. It's a much deeper app, more comparable to Cubase than Cubasis in many ways.

    But the main thing is which do you prefer? You'll get more done in an app that suits you. In sheer specs, Logic is way deeper but that's moot if you don't like it.

    Much of the negativity is unwarranted IMVHO. I think a lot of it is people that haven't clicked with the workflow. Which to be fair isn't easy if you're coming from a different DAW.

    Trying to do things the way you did them in a different DAW rarely works, whichever DAWs you're trying.

    Logic is the only DAW on the iPad I'm comfortable with so I'm biased. But I think it's by far the best on the iPad. Not even close. YMMV which is cool. The negativity can do one though. A lot of it is from people that don't use the app and just want to say how much better their favourite apps are. Which is childish. I wish the dick waving would stop.

  • Logic is light years ahead of Cubasis.

  • Cubasis still has the edge on doing basic destructive audio-editing tasks like normalize and ability to export audio events without having to resort to hack-arounds using WaveBox and dig out the files from within the project bundles and do basic region fade in/out on the time-line etc.

    Logic does have fade in/out for audio-events but it requires a trip to the Inspector where plenty of other features are found that are not present in Cubasis like region-loop, region playback direction, region 'nudging', tuning and various stretch algorithms etc.

  • @Drrabbitfoot said:
    I hear a lot more negative about Logic than I do about Cubasis. I figure the Logic bashing is more to its pricing model and the fact that it’s Apple, which I don’t have an issue with either, but with Cubasis being on sale, I wanted to see what you all thought.

    I don’t have anything negative to say about Cubasis, but, people running around thinking Cubasis rules, they are really funny!

    After yesterdays update to Logic Pro on iPad (v2) Cubasis has lost more gap to Logic, much much more…

    Still, Logic is 5 bucks a month and Cubasis 50 bucks one-time-fee (pretty good)…

    The question is, will Steinberg (Yamaha) throw more money on iOS platform and give Apple some match among the more Pro users on this platform?

  • edited May 14

    @HolyMoses said:

    @Drrabbitfoot said:
    I hear a lot more negative about Logic than I do about Cubasis. I figure the Logic bashing is more to its pricing model and the fact that it’s Apple, which I don’t have an issue with either, but with Cubasis being on sale, I wanted to see what you all thought.

    I don’t have anything negative to say about Cubasis, but, people running around thinking Cubasis rules, they are really funny!

    After yesterdays update to Logic Pro on iPad (v2) Cubasis has lost more gap to Logic, much much more…

    Still, Logic is 5 bucks a month and Cubasis 50 bucks one-time-fee (pretty good)…

    The question is, will Steinberg (Yamaha) throw more money on iOS platform and give Apple some match among the more Pro users on this platform?

    Cubasis is one time… but everytime the release a new version its another 30-50$ plus all the iaps so really… the 5$ for logic a month isn’t so bad. Im sure you agree lol but is something for OP to consider

    Also if you aren’t Using it you can pause for a few months n save all your stuff

  • Cubasis can't group tracks beyond one level, meaning you can't really reference and monitor other tracks alongside your own productions because you can't route your groups into in a mixbus and e.g. a reference track into the master, there's only the master you can route groups into.

    The better routing capabilities in Logic alone are reason why Logic is far ahead and why I won't touch Cubasis anymore.

  • I'm gonna go way out on a limb here. I say this as someone who has settled on Logic, at least for now (although you can pry AUM out of my cold, dead hands): Cubasis and Logic are both excellent DAWs. Logic seems to be centering on providing tools (which we're now calling "ai") to automate a lot of production tasks, up to and now including composition. Cubasis, on the other hand, is a much more utilitarian tool, so, well-suited to folks who don't need and/or don't want to use that sort of "ai" process automation. I have no quarrel with either approach and understand the appeal of both.

    Aside from that, Cubasis notably lacks something to compare with the clip-launcher interfaces that are becoming more and more common (Logic, Ableton Live, Roland Zenbeats and others all feature this). I find that to be a fun and productive workflow for me, so I've pretty much set Cubasis aside. If Cubasis did introduce a MIDI/audio clip launcher I would definitely give it another look.

  • edited May 14

    Two things that basically make cubasis a no go for what I need. No tempo track, no time signature changes.

  • edited May 14

    Personally I don’t think it’s better. I think it’s on par, but Logic offers a lot more in terms of the instruments and stuff like the routing, bussing etc.

    I like Cubasis because it’s not subscription, and it’s super powerful , stable and power efficient and I still consider it the benchmark gold standard by which all other iOS/ipados Daws are measured, including Logic.

    So for me I prefer Cubasis but I concede Logic is as, if not more , feature packed with this new update. Hopefully Cubasis will also update to compete , but it’s hard to compare a small Steinberg coding team versus the mega Apple .

    (As far as what I need a DAW to do, Cubasis does things on iOS logic doesn’t as well such as IAA, and it also runs on iOS, so I can use it on my phone or iPad, which I do like)

    There are pros and cons to both still. (If you could buy Logic, that might tip the balance , ofc).

    But everyone’s uses are different and overall, since I own Cubasis I’m going to stick with Cubasis and just use Logic on my desktop if I need it , especially because I don’t really need some of the extra features anyway

    If the sale on Cubasis has you wondering you can’t go wrong with it

  • @broppie : Ditto here

  • At first I thought “Oh no, THIS again?”.. But what an excellent informative thread. I ❤️AF!!!!!

  • A DAW is only as good as you use it. I think it depends what resonates with you.

  • @yellow_eyez said:
    Personally I don’t think it’s better. I think it’s on par, but Logic offers a lot more in terms of the instruments and stuff like the routing, bussing etc.

    I like Cubasis because it’s not subscription, and it’s super powerful , stable and power efficient and I still consider it the benchmark gold standard by which all other iOS/ipados Daws are measured, including Logic.

    So for me I prefer Cubasis but I concede Logic is as, if not more , feature packed with this new update. Hopefully Cubasis will also update to compete , but it’s hard to compare a small Steinberg coding team versus the mega Apple .

    (As far as what I need a DAW to do, Cubasis does things on iOS logic doesn’t as well such as IAA, and it also runs on iOS, so I can use it on my phone or iPad, which I do like)

    There are pros and cons to both still. (If you could buy Logic, that might tip the balance , ofc).

    But everyone’s uses are different and overall, since I own Cubasis I’m going to stick with Cubasis and just use Logic on my desktop if I need it , especially because I don’t really need some of the extra features anyway

    If the sale on Cubasis has you wondering you can’t go wrong with it

    How can you be sure that Steinberg (Yamaha) has a lower budget for Cubase/Cubasis than Apple has for Logic Pro Mac/iPad?

    It took Apple 13 years to release Logic Pro for iPad, and, if now Apple would be mega why then wait all this years for iPad Logic?

    Whatever, Cubasis is really great, but, nowadays it’s like an Renault and Logic Pro is an Ferrari, can be the same colour, but, under the hood you see the difference…

  • I just recently discovered that Cubasis has midi learn and can be controlled by a Launch Control XL. This inspired me to jump back into Cubasis, but the session was a mess. To be fair, for some reason I had two IAA apps (Xynthesizer and Soft Drummer), and the sync was all over the map. Probably not a surprise. But there are other hassles in Cubasis, like scrolling through a list of AUs rather than searching, etc.

    I really just want AUM to do everything!

  • Slightly OT: Can anyone compare these two DAWs with Reaper? Which is closer to it in terms of workflow, routing and "basic" features like automation or crossfade?

  • These are iOS DAWs. They really can't compare with any desktop DAWs, alas.

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    I just recently discovered that Cubasis has midi learn and can be controlled by a Launch Control XL. This inspired me to jump back into Cubasis, but the session was a mess. To be fair, for some reason I had two IAA apps (Xynthesizer and Soft Drummer), and the sync was all over the map. Probably not a surprise. But there are other hassles in Cubasis, like scrolling through a list of AUs rather than searching, etc.

    I really just want AUM to do everything!

    A little OT, but AUM seems to be everyones real favorite, although it’s not a DAW…

    Hasn’t been really quiet from mr Kymatica (Jonathan) a long time now?
    Hope he haven’t been tired of the iOS platform…

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @yellow_eyez said:
    Personally I don’t think it’s better. I think it’s on par, but Logic offers a lot more in terms of the instruments and stuff like the routing, bussing etc.

    I like Cubasis because it’s not subscription, and it’s super powerful , stable and power efficient and I still consider it the benchmark gold standard by which all other iOS/ipados Daws are measured, including Logic.

    So for me I prefer Cubasis but I concede Logic is as, if not more , feature packed with this new update. Hopefully Cubasis will also update to compete , but it’s hard to compare a small Steinberg coding team versus the mega Apple .

    (As far as what I need a DAW to do, Cubasis does things on iOS logic doesn’t as well such as IAA, and it also runs on iOS, so I can use it on my phone or iPad, which I do like)

    There are pros and cons to both still. (If you could buy Logic, that might tip the balance , ofc).

    But everyone’s uses are different and overall, since I own Cubasis I’m going to stick with Cubasis and just use Logic on my desktop if I need it , especially because I don’t really need some of the extra features anyway

    If the sale on Cubasis has you wondering you can’t go wrong with it

    How can you be sure that Steinberg (Yamaha) has a lower budget for Cubase/Cubasis than Apple has for Logic Pro Mac/iPad?

    It took Apple 13 years to release Logic Pro for iPad, and, if now Apple would be mega why then wait all this years for iPad Logic?

    Whatever, Cubasis is really great, but, nowadays it’s like an Renault and Logic Pro is an Ferrari, can be the same colour, but, under the hood you see the difference…

    The Cubasis team is a separate team almost completely from what I understand. (And I would think it’s kind of obvious why Steinberg would be outspent by Apple lol)

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    I just recently discovered that Cubasis has midi learn and can be controlled by a Launch Control XL. This inspired me to jump back into Cubasis, but the session was a mess. To be fair, for some reason I had two IAA apps (Xynthesizer and Soft Drummer), and the sync was all over the map. Probably not a surprise. But there are other hassles in Cubasis, like scrolling through a list of AUs rather than searching, etc.

    I really just want AUM to do everything!

    A little OT, but AUM seems to be everyones real favorite, although it’s not a DAW…

    Hasn’t been really quiet from mr Kymatica (Jonathan) a long time now?
    Hope he haven’t been tired of the iOS platform…

    He was on the forum dropping hints about new AUM features as recently as January. From what I've seen, the pace of development on AUM has always been, uhh, very deliberate. But honestly that's one of the things I value about it; it does what it does really well and new features tend to be added slowly, with care not to disrupt people's carefully constructed workflows.

  • that’s a good discussion, very well timed indeed!
    Beyond figuring out which one is “better”, could anyone help describe for which type of user or workflow each of these two is suited?

  • I just prefer the UI in Cubasis. It’s not busy and well designed. Also it does multi-core processing. Does Logic do multi-core ?

    You might want to check out Zenbeats. Took me a bit to get used to the interface, I am not into clip launching, just classic daw. It as a lot going for itself.

  • @filo01 said:
    Slightly OT: Can anyone compare these two DAWs with Reaper? Which is closer to it in terms of workflow, routing and "basic" features like automation or crossfade?

    The most like Reaper would be Auria Pro. But I must give you a big warning on this one. It had a pretty rough buggy period 2-3 years ago. Some people now use it without problem other not so much.The midi aspect is not finished. But it is super powerful on the audio side. Aux, sub and every possible audio config you can think off. Tempo track, audio editing, beat detection, drumagog drum replacement and audio stretching. It’s most commun use case it for mixing and mastering.

  • @ecou said:
    I just prefer the UI in Cubasis. It’s not busy and well designed. Also it does multi-core processing. Does Logic do multi-core ?

    You might want to check out Zenbeats. Took me a bit to get used to the interface, I am not into clip launching, just classic daw. It as a lot going for itself.

    I don't know if there's public information about multicore in Logic, but I have seen people do performance/load testing with Logic vs. Cubasis and they perform similarly, which implies that Logic does multicore. My personal anecdotal experience suggests the same: Logic can handle a lot of running plug-ins.

  • @HolyMoses said:
    How can you be sure that Steinberg (Yamaha) has a lower budget for Cubase/Cubasis than Apple has for Logic Pro Mac/iPad?

    It took Apple 13 years to release Logic Pro for iPad, and, if now Apple would be mega why then wait all this years for iPad Logic?

    Well, it certainly wasn't because Apple didn't have the money to develop Logic for iOS. :smiley:

    I think they thought Logic only being available on the Mac would drive Mac sales. I am guessing they had a rethink.

    Kind of like Steve wanting the iPod to only work with Macs, not PCs. They did a rethink of that and iPod sales went through the roof...

  • edited May 15

    I think one difference worth noting between the two is that Cubasis appears to integrate better with external hardware, IAA and Audiobus. In this respect it can be very useful. You could potentially use it as a very handy tape machine/DAW type setup with an external desk.
    I have a few personal bugbears with Cubasis, but I do like it’s channel strip. It is very easy to set up a mix balance quickly.
    Having said that, Logic has been my DAW of choice since I started working on it on the Desktop and now the iPad.

  • Also you can go from the full version of Logic on the desktop to Logic on the iPad with no issues, assuming you have all the same packs on both. Can you do that from the full version of Cubase to Cubasis?

  • One thing to consider is what each runs on. Logic is better in many ways to Cubasis, but it can only run on more recent iPads like my Mini 6. AI stem splitting doesn't work on my Mini 6.

    Cubasis however runs on older devices and on my iPhone and on Android (although there are no external AUv3 or VST plugins on Android). It also has the Halion sounds now, and Waves plugins in case those interest you any.

    I'm hoping Lars and the team at Cubasis will add time signatures and tempo tracks so I can really get into some more experimental music in Cubasis, or at least Prog. :mrgreen:

  • How is Cubasis for someone who is a heavy GarageBand user (albeit with auv3 apps; don’t use the built in synths )? Logic Pro not an option as I’m iPhone only

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