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iPadOS Stage Manager?

tjatja
edited February 10 in Other

Stage Manager offers some interesting features and possibilities.

But yet, in other points it seems to be badly planned and executed!

For example, I have no interest in this little sidebar of Apps that can be seen on the left side.
This just eats of valuable space on the screen and makes Apps use too small fonts or wrap content.

As an example, here is what I see with Stage Manager and then the same setup with regular Split Screen.

And then this:

Did I do something wrong?

Is there actually a way to use two Apps side by side - equally sized - in Stage Manager without loosing valuable space on the display?

A view similar or equal to the Split Screen arrangement would be great and make Stage Manager actually usable to me. Right now, I only use it for Full Screen Apps, and when connected to an external display.

Comments

  • As it acts now, Stage Manager is useless for me - as you said, why do we need this useless thumbnails on the left??

    Also, why can’t we use external monitor as primary display and have our iPads closed?

  • Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.
    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

  • @HolyMoses said:
    As it acts now, Stage Manager is useless for me - as you said, why do we need this useless thumbnails on the left??

    I am happy to see others having similar thoughts.

    Also, why can’t we use external monitor as primary display and have our iPads closed?

    I was wondering about this too.

  • @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.

    What exactly do you mean?
    Or better, where exactly do we need to long-tap and what exactly will be the result?
    Thanks!

    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    With Apple, I always fear that things stay as they are.
    They do upgrade or refine things, but that often takes years and several versions of the OS.

  • edited February 10

    @tja said:

    @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.

    What exactly do you mean?
    Or better, where exactly do we need to long-tap and what exactly will be the result?
    Thanks!

    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    With Apple, I always fear that things stay as they are.
    They do upgrade or refine things, but that often takes years and several versions of the OS.

    Stage Manager has changed quite a bit in the last two versions of iPadOS. When it originally shipped, it was really quite terrible.

  • @jebni said:

    @tja said:

    @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.

    What exactly do you mean?
    Or better, where exactly do we need to long-tap and what exactly will be the result?
    Thanks!

    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    With Apple, I always fear that things stay as they are.
    They do upgrade or refine things, but that often takes years and several versions of the OS.

    Stage Manager has changed quite a bit in the last two versions of iPadOS. When it originally shipped, it was really quite terrible.

    I was not aware of this, as I can test SM only since a couple of days.
    Thanks!

  • @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.
    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    Thanks!!
    Wasn’t aware of the possibility to remove both Dock and the thumbnails on left side…

    But, of course there’s a but - still Apple isn’t allow us to use the whole screen in Stage Manager mode - as it is now there’s a 5mm frame around the edge of the desktop surface that can’t be used to place screens/apps on… Why Apple, why!!

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.
    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    Thanks!!
    Wasn’t aware of the possibility to remove both Dock and the thumbnails on left side…

    But, of course there’s a but - still Apple isn’t allow us to use the whole screen in Stage Manager mode - as it is now there’s a 5mm frame around the edge of the desktop surface that can’t be used to place screens/apps on… Why Apple, why!!

    I'm still it sure what exactly is meant with this long-tap ...

    But I found the buttons to disable Dock and Recent Apps!

    But for me, the space used for the two Apps still looks exactly the same!
    There is still the free space where the recents Apps would be and there is this strange frame around the windows.
    So strange ideas, Apple.

    I wanted to create a screenshot, but sitting in bed, I have no mouse attached and no idea how to create a screenshot.

    The gesture from the corner does not work and ... we have no home button 😅

  • It’s annoying that some apps can be used as windows in Stage Manager but can’t be used in regular split screen. (In particular iPhone apps that have no iPad support.) The last thing I wanted to come to the iPad was having to manually manage window positions and sizes as Stage Manager forces me to do. But I do it since that’s the only way I can get some apps on-screen with others.

  • @tja said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.
    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    Thanks!!
    Wasn’t aware of the possibility to remove both Dock and the thumbnails on left side…

    But, of course there’s a but - still Apple isn’t allow us to use the whole screen in Stage Manager mode - as it is now there’s a 5mm frame around the edge of the desktop surface that can’t be used to place screens/apps on… Why Apple, why!!

    I'm still it sure what exactly is meant with this long-tap ...

    But I found the buttons to disable Dock and Recent Apps!

    But for me, the space used for the two Apps still looks exactly the same!
    There is still the free space where the recents Apps would be and there is this strange frame around the windows.
    So strange ideas, Apple.

    I wanted to create a screenshot, but sitting in bed, I have no mouse attached and no idea how to create a screenshot.

    The gesture from the corner does not work and ... we have no home button 😅

    Apple is often hard to understand concering decisions made to “improve” iPadOS…

    It’s like we’re hungry, Apple give us food, fine, but, they have not used salt and spices in the food…

    It’s all about cannibalism of the Macbook platform for Apple - make iPad desktoplike, but not 100%, no no no, then the stock owners will be disappointed!

  • @tja said:

    @HolyMoses said:

    @bargale said:
    Long tap on the stage manager icon when it’s turned on.
    In general I agree that stage manager is not quite there yet, hopefully it’ll improve in the next OS version.

    Thanks!!
    Wasn’t aware of the possibility to remove both Dock and the thumbnails on left side…

    But, of course there’s a but - still Apple isn’t allow us to use the whole screen in Stage Manager mode - as it is now there’s a 5mm frame around the edge of the desktop surface that can’t be used to place screens/apps on… Why Apple, why!!

    I'm still it sure what exactly is meant with this long-tap ...

    But I found the buttons to disable Dock and Recent Apps!

    But for me, the space used for the two Apps still looks exactly the same!
    There is still the free space where the recents Apps would be and there is this strange frame around the windows.
    So strange ideas, Apple.

    I wanted to create a screenshot, but sitting in bed, I have no mouse attached and no idea how to create a screenshot.

    The gesture from the corner does not work and ... we have no home button 😅

    Screenshot by quickly pressing the power button and volume up buttons simultaneously

  • tjatja
    edited February 11

    @Gavinski said:
    Screenshot by quickly pressing the power button and volume up buttons simultaneously

    Ahhh, great many thanks 🤗

    I could have come to that idea, but I was too irritated why the "regular" and "new" way for iPads without Home Button suddenly stopped working when enabling Stage Manager 😅

    But I compared it visually and the windows don't get more space with the icons on the left disabled!
    Seems a useless option then ...

  • Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

  • @tja said:
    Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

    If you want side by side windows that fill the screen, simply use Split VIew. Stage Manager is for people who want some of the custom clutter that a more conventional windowing system gives them. The problem with the original implementation was that it only gave you the illusion of customisation. Like, you could control practically nothing about how windows were placed.

  • @jebni said:

    @tja said:
    Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

    If you want side by side windows that fill the screen, simply use Split VIew. Stage Manager is for people who want some of the custom clutter that a more conventional windowing system gives them. The problem with the original implementation was that it only gave you the illusion of customisation. Like, you could control practically nothing about how windows were placed.

    In Stage Manager mode, why isn't that a command that split the windows in a equal grid?
    Or, two windows side by side, same size in one command?

  • tjatja
    edited February 11

    @jebni said:

    @tja said:
    Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

    If you want side by side windows that fill the screen, simply use Split VIew. Stage Manager is for people who want some of the custom clutter that a more conventional windowing system gives them. The problem with the original implementation was that it only gave you the illusion of customisation. Like, you could control practically nothing about how windows were placed.

    I want to use Stage Manager to use an external display at native resolution!

    But I still need 2 windows side-by-side at the same time and using all of the available space.

    A basic wish, don't you think?

  • @HolyMoses said:

    @jebni said:

    @tja said:
    Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

    If you want side by side windows that fill the screen, simply use Split VIew. Stage Manager is for people who want some of the custom clutter that a more conventional windowing system gives them. The problem with the original implementation was that it only gave you the illusion of customisation. Like, you could control practically nothing about how windows were placed.

    In Stage Manager mode, why isn't that a command that split the windows in a equal grid?
    Or, two windows side by side, same size in one command?

    Exactly

  • @tja said:

    @jebni said:

    @tja said:
    Also, those windows don't have the same size!

    This cripples many use-cases where you want 2 windows of the same App side-by-side.

    If you want side by side windows that fill the screen, simply use Split VIew. Stage Manager is for people who want some of the custom clutter that a more conventional windowing system gives them. The problem with the original implementation was that it only gave you the illusion of customisation. Like, you could control practically nothing about how windows were placed.

    I want to use Stage Manager to use an external display at native resolution!

    But I still need 2 windows side-by-side at the same time and using all of the available space.

    A basic wish, don't you think?

    Yeah, typically Apple to give us an hint and feeling of a Mac system on iPad, but, still limited in many ways to not let it be a real Macbook equivalent…

    That’s why we all have an strong love & hate relationship with dear Apple…

  • True, @HolyMoses ... I just bought a new Air 5, so I clearly not only hate Apple :smiley:

  • I use Stage Manager in MacOS where I find it useful for storing different window configurations of apps, e.g. multiple Finder windows of the most accessed locations.

    I guess it's useful in iPad as desktop replacement scenarios. For how I use my iPad it would be overkill I think, I don't really use it for office related work or file management or with a keyboard and mouse attached.

  • tjatja
    edited February 11

    @kirmesteggno said:
    I use Stage Manager in MacOS where I find it useful for storing different window configurations of apps, e.g. multiple Finder windows of the most accessed locations.

    I guess it's useful in iPad as desktop replacement scenarios. For how I use my iPad it would be overkill I think, I don't really use it for office related work or file management or with a keyboard and mouse attached.

    I mostly do the same on Mac as on iPad: Having two Apps side by side, equally parting the screen.

    For this, I use the FANTASTIC and free "Rectangle" App, as macOS does of course not offer such things ;-)
    Having said that, I sometimes use four equally sized windows, for terminal sessions ... also with Rectangle:

    https://rectangleapp.com

    As I have two displays, I rarely have need to combine Apps or use the Desktop feature (Mission Control?) of macOS ...

  • @tja said:
    I mostly do the same on Mac as on iPad: Having two Apps side by side, equally parting the screen.

    There's also a native side by side feature for the full screen mode, just hover over the green dot in a mac window which should reveal it.

    For this, I use the FANTASTIC and free "Rectangle" App, as macOS does of course not offer such things ;-)
    Having said that, I sometimes use four equally sized windows, for terminal sessions ... also with Rectangle:
    https://rectangleapp.com

    Thanks for the tip. I've heard of rectangle but never installed it because I already owned Magnet, which isn't free but quite cheap. Then later I bought Moom which I've used before stage manager to size windows to the same amount and layer them on top of each other for easy cycling through with cmd tab.

    As I have two displays, I rarely have need to combine Apps or use the Desktop feature (Mission Control?) of macOS ...

    As a cmd tabber the only times I've used mussion control was by accident pressing the wrong function key, lol.

  • @kirmesteggno said:

    @tja said:
    I mostly do the same on Mac as on iPad: Having two Apps side by side, equally parting the screen.

    There's also a native side by side feature for the full screen mode, just hover over the green dot in a mac window which should reveal it.

    No, really.
    That does not work as I need it.
    This forces you to select a second App, and those two will then enter some kind of full-screen mode, instead of just any windows arranged where-ever and how-ever you want.
    Cannot compare to Rectangle.

    For this, I use the FANTASTIC and free "Rectangle" App, as macOS does of course not offer such things ;-)
    Having said that, I sometimes use four equally sized windows, for terminal sessions ... also with Rectangle:
    https://rectangleapp.com

    Thanks for the tip. I've heard of rectangle but never installed it because I already owned Magnet, which isn't free but quite cheap. Then later I bought Moom which I've used before stage manager to size windows to the same amount and layer them on top of each other for easy cycling through with cmd tab.

    Yes, I bought Magnet too, but deleted it soon after I learned about Rectangle.
    Don't know Moom, and will have a look, but don't really need anything beyond Rectangle - which also offers a payed Pro version with even more options.

    As I have two displays, I rarely have need to combine Apps or use the Desktop feature (Mission Control?) of macOS ...

    As a cmd tabber the only times I've used mussion control was by accident pressing the wrong function key, lol.

    I see ;-)

  • @tja said:
    Don't know Moom, and will have a look, but don't really need anything beyond Rectangle - which also offers a payed Pro version with even more options.

    It's quite powerful, but I've only used a couple of features like specifying the exact dimensions for recording app windows in 16:9 or 4:3 etc.

  • tjatja
    edited February 11

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @tja said:
    Don't know Moom, and will have a look, but don't really need anything beyond Rectangle - which also offers a payed Pro version with even more options.

    It's quite powerful, but I've only used a couple of features like specifying the exact dimensions for recording app windows in 16:9 or 4:3 etc.

    Sounds similar to Rectangle Pro...

    EDIT:

    Found this: https://medium.com/@davidmles/moom-vs-magnet-493fd2d31a77

    But does not include Rectangle Pro, which should be at or over Moom, feature-wise.

  • edited February 12

    You know, when Windows 1.0 first came out and it couldn’t do overlapping windows but had this tiling bullshit, I laughed so hard. Now I will admit that I have Magnet installed on my Mac. 😆 Will check out Rectangle.

  • @tja said:

    @kirmesteggno said:

    @tja said:
    Don't know Moom, and will have a look, but don't really need anything beyond Rectangle - which also offers a payed Pro version with even more options.

    It's quite powerful, but I've only used a couple of features like specifying the exact dimensions for recording app windows in 16:9 or 4:3 etc.

    Sounds similar to Rectangle Pro...

    EDIT:

    Found this: https://medium.com/@davidmles/moom-vs-magnet-493fd2d31a77

    But does not include Rectangle Pro, which should be at or over Moom, feature-wise.

    Personally I'll always favor the one available in the Appstore if the apps are similar. That said I just replaced Moom with a custom Shortcut!

    Maybe there's something in the Shortcut app for you as well, I've seen a split screen step in there and it's also available in the ipad Shorcuts app.

    This is how I've build one that resizes the active window into a 16:10 resolution (I'm on a 24" 16:10 monitor) so that it works with the stage manager and doc.

  • @kirmesteggno Very interesting!
    I didn't know that Shutcuts can handle windows... will check out.

    But the above cannot replace Rectangle for me, as I constantly switch between Windows that take up the whole screen, half or a quarter of it and mix those things for my current needs.

  • tjatja
    edited February 12

    @jebni said:
    You know, when Windows 1.0 first came out and it couldn’t do overlapping windows but had this tiling bullshit, I laughed so hard. Now I will admit that I have Magnet installed on my Mac. 😆 Will check out Rectangle.

    I cannot tell you how much I hate overlapping!

    Either I work in one windows, then any other window is just distracting and / or stealing place - or I need multiple windows, but then I need to see their content or even work in it, without some other window overlapping it.
    Tiling is it for me 🤗

    Overlapping is also disturbing for the second use-case.

  • @tja said:
    @kirmesteggno Very interesting!
    I didn't know that Shutcuts can handle windows... will check out.

    But the above cannot replace Rectangle for me, as I constantly switch between Windows that take up the whole screen, half or a quarter of it and mix those things for my current needs.

    There are more options hidden under the blue dimensions and coordinates labels, but the general structure of the shortcut is still the same using find and get.

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