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Creating Loopy Pro/AUM Scenes for Effects Pedalboard- Need Help or Advice
Hey everyone! Blessings to all!
I desperately need advice on how to setup AUM for live playing with my electric guitar and Tonex setup. Which includes effects from Nembrini, THU and Blackhole for Reverb.
My most important request is to be able to create Scenes in AUM to be able to not have to load every single app when we sing a new song live at church.
My amp is mostly a clean amp on edge of Break up. To that I add overdrives etc for guitar leads. So I jnow how to use midi in AUM to enable/disable effects via the Xtone Pro midi controller.
However, the only effect that I can't figure out is the delay effect. I need to be able to set a different BPM for every song in our Sunday worship set. And that's where I hit a wall. I know AUM is super advanced but I just can't figure out how to create the scenes with different BMPs to switch in the fly with my midi controller.
Any help is greatly appreciated!
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Hi. @Tones4Christ
NOTE:
I assume you know that AUM can save unique/different tempos for each session.
I’m not an instrumentalist(?), so I may not understand the context of your question correctly.
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How to switch session
Tap AUM’s hamburger icon.
Tap MIDI CTRL.
Tap Session Load.
Tap ADD SESSION.
Tap any session．
Repeat to add any session.
Set any MIDI to them.
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How to switch tempo
Tap AUM’s hamburger icon.
Tap MIDI CTRL.
Tap Parameters.
Tap Tempo Presets.
Tap ADD TEMPO, set any value, and tap DONE.
Repeat to add any TEMPO.
Set any MIDI to them.
Oh wow! I'll give that a try. So session's is basically like scenes? I mean, when I play live, I can't afford to wait for all apps to load again. Especially since, I'm basically using the same ones. But loading a different BPM would be awesome!
Thank you @cramdog
Using sessions would reload all the plugins. You don't want that. But the second method using tempo presets wouldn't need you to change sessions.
Nice one @cramdog - I didn't know about tempo presets. 👍🏼
@Tones4Christ
I forgot to write important thing!!!!!
When you tap MIDI CTRL, tap the three orange dots to the right of ‘Transport’ and ‘System’ to save both the session MIDI settings and the tempo MIDI settings.
Hi Wim! Good old Wim!
man so happy you're always here!
Thank you always for helping everyone!
Thanks again @cramdog !
Lifesavers big time! Can't wait to get home and try this!
@wim
Thank you so much. I'm not at all familiar with terms like scene, trigger and etc., so I'm not at all confident in answering the question in @Tones4Christ’s second post.
@Tones4Christ
I hope it helps.
@cramdog and @wim
So I was able to create Twmpo Presets and assign them to midi footswitches on the Xtone Pro. I just have to be quick enough to access the 2nd page of available footswitches in the Xtone Pro lol.
Anyway, so awesome to be able to change tempo presets within a single AUM session!!! Thank you guys for sharing this knowledge!
I also found a user at the gear page who posted being able to do this in Loopy Pro, and I ha E No clue how to even get something like this started. However, it sounds like it would be so awesome as it speaks of having different scenes with the apps having different "states" within each scene.
@Michael do you think Loopy Pro can have a default project like this for guitar players trying to setup a custom setup for playing live?
Here's the setup:
Setting up in Loopy Pro:
I’m sure you’ve figured out an alternative by now. But just for others that find this thread — you can do this in two ways:
1. by hosting Tonex in Loopy Pro or AUM and creating “presets” for the different configurations that you want. You would have to save a preset for each scene. I prefer Loopy pro because you can then create a custom page with widgets that you can press to activate each scene, and the block will light up when that scene is selected. You can also map midi controllers to any of the widgets to choose scenes.
2. By creating a ”mega” Tonex preset that includes all of the amps that you want, and just modifies the state within each scene. So if you want 3 different amps, just add all 3 and turn them on and off with the scenes as you prefer.
Thank you all in advance!
I was going to suggest that Loopy Pro might be a better fit for your use-case overall, but I didn't want to derail the thought process. Loopy is totally able to do all this.
I don't see any reason for this to need @Michael to do anything. Any project can be turned into a template. It's not any more challenging than setting up AUM once you get the idea of widgets. And don't give me any of that "I'm too dumb for that" lip bro! You totally can learn it and you can ask questions and get help in the blink of an eye here if you get stuck. 😎
Once the template of your dreams is put together, you can post it on patch storage to bless the rest 'o the world.
This is so easy. Set up the presets. Add a set of radio buttons and assign actions to switch to the presets. Midi learn the foot switches to the buttons.
Or, set up buttons for whole songs. One button can set the tempo, load the presets you need, and do anything else you need. Save yourself from having to learn tap dancing in addition to playing guitar.
I dunno anything about Tonex, but as long as Tonex responds to midi, this option could work too. I'd do it the first way though.
I suggest setting up a new thread to avoid confusion if you're going to want help with this in Loopy Pro
I would have flown to Rome and kissed the Pope's ring if it would have gotten me something like Loopy Pro to use back in my worship leading days. 😂
I think what he is talking about is loading three instances of Tonex and using Loopy's actions and midi bindings to switch between the instances as needed. That way they are preloaded so switching is instantaneous (which isn't the case when switching Tonex presets).
@Tones4Christ : this is easy to set up. It is easy to set up radio buttons or dials or buttons that can turn a number of effects on or off or select presets.
@wim & @espiegel123
So awesome!!! Can't wait to learn to do this!!! Last night I was just so happy to have been able to setup different BPM presets in AUM! Only thing is I only got 6 midi stomp switches so I have to use all the available creativity in Loopy Pro to make the most of them and hopefully trigger those widgets to trigger all the scenes!
Now in going into uncharted territory in midi yikes!!! But yeah, thanks for encouragement WIM I can do this!!! Lol
Thank you guys and will definitely come back if I lose my way lol!
Keep in mind that you only need midi mapping for those things that need to hands free. You can set up buttons for those things that don’t.
You can even set up pages within your project so that you can have different things at your fingertips/foot pedals for different songs. And when you switch to those pages, loopy can perform actions (like changing tempo and amp settings) when switching pages.
OMG
that's exactly what I'm dreaming about! I will have to learn all this though.
So when Loopy has my setup the way I like it, let's say 4 scenes where I change amp state to overdriven, and another where it's clean but has Blackhole Reverb enabled for ambient stuff and other stuff. Now, say I need to change BPM will I need to reload all the apps again for a new session?
Oh forgot to say, I'm setting all this up on my old iPad, forgot what generation it is, I think it's 5th Gen. But it works!
Well, this Setup will end up on my iPhone 6s Plus which is what I'm using on my effects pedalboard. I really really hope to do this! So grateful for @Michael and Loopy Pro!
@Tones4Christ - are you using backing tracks? You don't mention that, but if not, then what is the tempo needed for?
Oh no, it's because every worship song has a different BPM. So I need to adjust the BPM for every song in the set so my delays are right on.
I used to lead before at another church but right now I'm playing lead electric at another.
OK, so it's for delay sync and not clip launching or midi. Good to know.
I wanted to confirm because I think you can go about this really simply, which will be a plus with the small phone screen. I don't think you need scenes. All you need is a Radio Button Grid of however many songs you might have in a set. You can name the buttons with the song name. You then just need to add actions to set your presets and to set your tempo to each button. You can then map the buttons to your foot switch buttons and simply select the song.
Once you have a set list in a project, you can save that as a template by selecting the star next to the project name. Now when you go to create a new project you'll get the option to start with that template. Change the buttons as needed and a new setlist is done.
You can add widgets for performance notes 'n stuff as well, either on the main page or on additional pages.
I suggested radio buttons because then it's always clear which is selected and only one can be selected at a time. But you could also use button widgets. The advantage to button widgets is easy copying of individual "song" buttons between pages and projects. You could set up a Song Master page or pages with buttons for all your songs. Then you could have a set list page and just copy / paste the buttons you need. You might want to experiment with both approaches.
I don't know about you, but I think I'd also have a few buttons for nudging the tempo up and down. Sometimes it's nice to have flexibility for tempo eh?
Fwiw, if you want to switch between the songs in your set list and don’t want to wait for AUs to load, I would use one project and have a page for each song. You can even set up actions (such as setting the tempo and changing any settings or presets) that are executed when you switch to a page. I have a slow iPad and the time for AU loading when loading a project can be longer than I love. Switching pages is instantaneous.
Sorry for all the posts. I just realized a downside to copying buttons ... midi mapping to your foot switch. With radio buttons you could have each one always mapped to the same button. With individual buttons you'd want to midi learn the buttons each time. Only takes a minute, but I thought I'd mention it.
OMG so sweet! Pretty much limitless what you can do in Loopy. Now would one of you guys be so kind to share that template? I can learn it by reverse engineering lol and plus I’m a lefty lol
Share what template?
I was talking about the ones WIM was making
So the apps that I have setup in my AUM session are as follows:
First pre fader:
Nembrini Centaur Klon Clone drive
THU- Pitch Shif effect
Nembrini Rack Delay
Tonex Amp/IR Cab
Post fader:
Nembrini Rack Delay
Eventide Blackhole Reverb
Pretty simple setup for now.
But my Xtone Pro only has 6 switches. These work only if the app or host has midi learn (like AUM).
My goal is to use 4 switches to change scenes. I'd love to have separate app estates in each scene. Some apps enabled and others disabled and perhaps each other 4 scenes with a different app Preset if possible.
Like for example, in Tonex, have an Overdriven Preset in scene 4 for guita Leads.
Now the whole 4 scenes must all have same BPM for a specific song.
So each song should have at least 4 scenes.
I want to reserve the last 2 midi switches to perhaps used them to switch pages? Don't really understand this yet. But perhaps the Loopy pages serve as different songs, with different BPM?
Well that's what I'm really trying to achieve.
@Tones4Christ - that screenshot was just a visual mockup of how what I thought at the time was your goal might look. It isn't a template. Now that you've explained more clearly what you need it doesn't fit the purpose anyway.
There's your starter "base template" right there. One way to get started would be to simply set that up and save it as a template. That way you can create new projects from that template as you experiment with different approaches.
No problem there. Loopy has midi learn.
Just to be clear, what you refer to as a "scene" is a combination of enabled apps and presets then? What you refer to as a "song" is a particular BPM and an associated set of scenes that you can select with the foot switch.
It doesn't sound like you need to be able to select songs via the foot switch, only scenes, right?
Pages are just places to store things such as widgets and clip. You could use a separate page for each song, but you don't have to. My initial reaction is that's not the most effective use of space, but It's a little hard to envision what you need still.
Can you give some idea of what the scenes relate to? Are the specific song sections such as Intro, Chorus, Verse, Bridge? Or are they more like Hard Rhythm, Soft Rhythm, Solo? Or?
Do you need to move freely among them in a song or do they go in order?
Here's my suggestion how to get started:
If all that went well then you've gotten the basics of creating "scenes" using buttons. Then you can move on to designing how such buttons should be laid out on a page or pages, and how selecting a "song" and relating it to those buttons should work.
Thank you so much @wim !!!
I booted up Loopy Pro and began at step
1. Loaded all the apps! So for some weird reason they all sound garbled. Will need to get past this step lol
Went back to AUM and loaded them and it sounded perfect again. Wonder why?
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Yes, exactly! So say we start with a certain song at 86 BPM, my 4 scenes would have different app states. Like maybe scene 1 won't have the overdrive enabled, but scene 2 will. Or say scene2 will have no Blackhoe Reverb but scene 4 will. Get me?
I mean, it would be nice to Save a page as a Song and select pages up or down with the 2 additional pedal switches. But not sure how those even work yet. I'm overwhelmed at this point lol.
Yeah, my scenes would be sort of like that. Not specifically for intro or chorus stuff, but rather move freely when I want to either do ambient swells in a Worship song, or go full blown with a Lead where the Overdrive, Pitch Shifter And everything is on!
Then I can go back to say just Rhythm, clean tone...this would probably be scene 1.
Yeah,, that would be so cool!!!
@Tones4Christ : let me suggest that you not worry about the midi triggering until you have buttons and other widgets set up do that they work correctly by touch. Then it will be pretty simple to set up midi mapping.
One nice thing about pages is that if you have the same buttons on your pages, your midi mappings can be set up so that they are consistent.
For example, let’s say your pages all have a scene 1, scene 2 , scene 3, scene 4 button, you can have a pedal press scene 1 of the current page. If the scene button on each sets up a song’s effects and amp settings for the verse and the scene 2 button has the chorus or bridge settings then when you switch pages your “scene 1” midi pedal will call up the current page’s scene 2
I hope that made sense.
You could also set up a dial on a page to progress through a pages settings…which can mean that you don’t need separate midi bindings for the scenes, you could have a button that progresses through them.
Rebooted and reconnected my Xtone Pro interface and all the sound was perfect now!