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Soundproof "Sleeping chamber"

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  • @SevenSystems said:

    @wim said:
    Are you on the ground floor? Got a shovel?

    Yes and no, but I'm sure they have shovels in Woodie's 😉 why?

    Dig yerself an underground sleeping chamber. 😎

  • GUBGUB
    edited September 2023

    @SevenSystems

    here’s the thing about getting a place in the middle of nowhere — you really have to be in the middle of nowhere.

    I like complete silence. I’ve been in the middle of nowhere places, and to findsuch a place where you don’t hear cars driving in the distance or dogs barking I think you would really have to have the resources to buy pretty much whatever rarity turned up.

    And speaking of delivery drones,, it’s remote places where the most goddamn drones are going to be servicing, I suspect.

    Nor do I like other solutions suggested. I had a white noise generator 30 years ago, from sharper image that cost quite a bit of money. that was OK, but not so effective. It produced a fake ocean sound, kinda relaxing but not much of a noise reducer.

    Headphones are hard to sleep in, however, there are a few that I’ve tried that have an elastic band type head attachment rather than a hard enclosure. So you can roll around and you won’t have plastic digging into your head. But I haven’t found them at all effective in directing cover noise directly into your ears all night. By morning, the speakers have drifted to somewhere around my nose and back of my head.

    Earplugs for me are even worse, I don’t like the congested head feeling, and I do find them uncomfortable after many years still.

    Maybe someday there will be anti-noise communities, that disallow drones and noisy cars at night, but I’m pretty old, and I don’t have money saved up.

    There was a Get Smart episode in my childhood, the silent bomb, where the villain was an old luddite whi developed a silent bomb to destroy noisy technology. Sometimes I feel like that dude, but then, when I’m trying to make music, often I go for the noisiest sounds imaginable…

    Will continue to follow this thread, and continue to wish you luck…

  • @Svetlovska said:
    Some people are much more disturbed by sound than others, of course. My neurodiverse lodger can’t abide the sound of a vacuum cleaner, for example, and has to leave the house whenever I use it (which isn’t often, frankly.) And when, briefly, I lived in the country, the first few nights away from the city I couldn’t sleep… because of the silence.

    It’s weird how you adapt though. I grew up in a very busy city and got used to the noise of cars, but when I moved to a different city I think the first thing I missed at night was the noise of the ocean constantly in the background. Moving again I loved the silence of living in a quiet corner of a small town. Now I live in a quiet neighborhood in the suburbs of a city further south and I love the sound of frogs, crickets and cicadas at night.

    I think the only thing that really bothers me at night is people’s voices.

  • I find it interesting that I hate noisy human eaters (trust me, that was a problem at times living in China, where noisy eating is much more culturally acceptable than in the west - there is actually also some science to suggest that noisy eating is tastier eating btw), but I love the sound of dogs and cats etc munching on their food 🤷‍♂️

  • Am I living in a box, am I living in a cardboard box… 😜

  • @GUB said:

    And speaking of delivery drones,, it’s remote places where the most goddamn drones are going to be servicing, I suspect.

    No probs. People in those places tend to have shotguns and rifles ;)

  • @Gavinski said:
    I find it interesting that I hate noisy human eaters (trust me, that was a problem at times living in China, where noisy eating is much more culturally acceptable than in the west - there is actually also some science to suggest that noisy eating is tastier eating btw), but I love the sound of dogs and cats etc munching on their food 🤷‍♂️

    You may enjoy this. At 6:30 in some noisy eating. Entertaining video if you like to cook.

  • @GUB said:
    @SevenSystems

    here’s the thing about getting a place in the middle of nowhere — you really have to be in the middle of nowhere.

    I like complete silence. I’ve been in the middle of nowhere places, and to findsuch a place where you don’t hear cars driving in the distance or dogs barking I think you would really have to have the resources to buy pretty much whatever rarity turned up.

    Yes, likewise. I'm also easily annoyed by constant dog barking and have moved because of it multiple times. It's another thing where you hear "you get used to it" but of course as I said before, you just tune it out but your brain keeps having to process it and sort it out while you're (not really) asleep. I'd consider dog barking to be worse than road noise because it is a sound designed by evolution to alarm other animals and thus it is deeply ingrained in our reptile brains to cause release of "alarm" hormones etc.

    I wouldn't mind cars driving in the DISTANCE, if distance means more than ~ half a mile, because my main problem with it is the vibrations and bass, which doesn't travel that far (but if you have it closeby, it's essentially impossible to mitigate).

    And speaking of delivery drones,, it’s remote places where the most goddamn drones are going to be servicing, I suspect.

    I'm not sure these will be that bad -- they'll probably be illegal at night and also easily "defended against" by just closing your windows! ;) (mid/high frequencies)

    Earplugs for me are even worse, I don’t like the congested head feeling, and I do find them uncomfortable after many years still.

    It did get better for me over the course of a few days, but yes, obviously the brain is aware of a foreign body stuck in your ear (a normally highly alarming situation) so it can't be good either ;)

    There was a Get Smart episode in my childhood, the silent bomb, where the villain was an old luddite whi developed a silent bomb to destroy noisy technology. Sometimes I feel like that dude

    Man I wonder if you're still allowed to say something like that these days -- your post could be flagged for "terrorism" or "incitement to hate" or something 😂

    Will continue to follow this thread, and continue to wish you luck…

    👍

  • Exactly, and I don’t wanna hear those either.

    @mistercharlie said:

    @GUB said:

    And speaking of delivery drones,, it’s remote places where the most goddamn drones are going to be servicing, I suspect.

    No probs. People in those places tend to have shotguns and rifles ;)

  • @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I find it interesting that I hate noisy human eaters (trust me, that was a problem at times living in China, where noisy eating is much more culturally acceptable than in the west - there is actually also some science to suggest that noisy eating is tastier eating btw), but I love the sound of dogs and cats etc munching on their food 🤷‍♂️

    You may enjoy this. At 6:30 in some noisy eating. Entertaining video if you like to cook.

    He needs to work on his slurping technique haha

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Moderndaycompiler said:

    @Gavinski said:
    I find it interesting that I hate noisy human eaters (trust me, that was a problem at times living in China, where noisy eating is much more culturally acceptable than in the west - there is actually also some science to suggest that noisy eating is tastier eating btw), but I love the sound of dogs and cats etc munching on their food 🤷‍♂️

    You may enjoy this. At 6:30 in some noisy eating. Entertaining video if you like to cook.

    He needs to work on his slurping technique haha

    Sorry, but you know I have to…

  • On the subjects of ramen, sex, tradition, food obsession, and full frontal noodlety, I’d like to heartily recommend the movie Tampopo.

  • Slurper of the year when it came out

  • @SevenSystems said:
    that's a dangerous misconception. I get why you think so, but your brain is still processing all the auditory input in the background, and can never fully relax. Even if you think you got used to it, your brain thinks otherwise, and it will show in the shape of slowly deteriorating mental health😥

    Can you quantify “dangerous “? I know you don’t mean it literally (perhaps you do). What you’re saying intuitively makes sense, but I haven’t been able to find anything that this level of awareness and processing correlates with really detrimental outcomes. I may well have missed it, of course.

    @SevenSystems said:
    but thanks for the recommendations! Appreciate it.

    No problems. Shoulda probably guessed you might've already explored such avenues.

  • @el_bo said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    that's a dangerous misconception. I get why you think so, but your brain is still processing all the auditory input in the background, and can never fully relax. Even if you think you got used to it, your brain thinks otherwise, and it will show in the shape of slowly deteriorating mental health😥

    Can you quantify “dangerous “? I know you don’t mean it literally (perhaps you do). What you’re saying intuitively makes sense, but I haven’t been able to find anything that this level of awareness and processing correlates with really detrimental outcomes. I may well have missed it, of course.

    There’s research that suggests that getting used to the same noise on a daily basis while sleeping causes the quality of sleep to deteriorate, which in turn causes issues with focus and memory. I suppose that could ultimately lead to mental health issues for some people.

    I read into it some years ago as my wife suffers from insomnia and often falls asleep with the TV on (usually in a different room to our bedroom as TV noise is the worst for me when trying to sleep). In fact, there are a lot of things that have been researched insofar as sleep studies are concerned, and it’s amazing how many of those are common in people who have sleep issues.

    However, having said that, there are studies that suggest that there’s a difference between passively accepting noise while falling asleep vs. actively closing down your senses and embracing the noise as part of your sleep environment. Not much study has been done, but in general the consensus is that relaxation methods aimed at controlling your body’s sleep mechanisms improve the quality of sleep.

  • Acoustic glazing will make a marked difference (its specially designed for noise reduction) - combine this with secondary glazing and you will be pretty much there. Both are excellent for significant noise reduction - but combined is what you are looking for I think. Not terribly cheap though - You could have this in your ‘quiet’ room only and come in at sub $5k.

  • @el_bo said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    that's a dangerous misconception. I get why you think so, but your brain is still processing all the auditory input in the background, and can never fully relax. Even if you think you got used to it, your brain thinks otherwise, and it will show in the shape of slowly deteriorating mental health😥

    Can you quantify “dangerous “? I know you don’t mean it literally (perhaps you do). What you’re saying intuitively makes sense, but I haven’t been able to find anything that this level of awareness and processing correlates with really detrimental outcomes. I may well have missed it, of course.

    Sorry if I sounded a bit "exaggerated"! It will of course not immediately kill you, but as @michael_m has pointed out, sleep really is about relaxing (taking out of action) as many neurons as possible throughout the body to enable them to recover. Any biological (and physical, really) system will wear out with time the more it gets used, and neurons having to transmit information are no exception! :)

  • @SevenSystems said:

    @el_bo said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    that's a dangerous misconception. I get why you think so, but your brain is still processing all the auditory input in the background, and can never fully relax. Even if you think you got used to it, your brain thinks otherwise, and it will show in the shape of slowly deteriorating mental health😥

    Can you quantify “dangerous “? I know you don’t mean it literally (perhaps you do). What you’re saying intuitively makes sense, but I haven’t been able to find anything that this level of awareness and processing correlates with really detrimental outcomes. I may well have missed it, of course.

    Sorry if I sounded a bit "exaggerated"! It will of course not immediately kill you, but as @michael_m has pointed out, sleep really is about relaxing (taking out of action) as many neurons as possible throughout the body to enable them to recover. Any biological (and physical, really) system will wear out with time the more it gets used, and neurons having to transmit information are no exception! :)

    Yes. It's interesting if you look at the old Ayurvedic texts, like the Caraka Samhita, and find the sections about Rasayana therapy (basically anti-aging), while this therapy is going on the patient is basically supposed to stay in seclusion most of the time, and protected from any sensory interruptions from the outside world. Also, see this (only slightly tongue in cheek, I think) tweet from that guy who's spent millions already on trying to become 'immortal':

    Lol, an extreme example, but certainly there are benefits to sleeping alone, and I personally prefer that anyone I date sleeps in a separate bed if they tend to move a lot or make noise during sleep. Only sleeping like a beached whale will mean it's possible I will tolerate them not sleeping upstairs - 😂 but actually I'm being serious - as I'm an extemely light sleeper.

  • @Gavinski said:

    @SevenSystems said:

    @el_bo said:

    @SevenSystems said:
    that's a dangerous misconception. I get why you think so, but your brain is still processing all the auditory input in the background, and can never fully relax. Even if you think you got used to it, your brain thinks otherwise, and it will show in the shape of slowly deteriorating mental health😥

    Can you quantify “dangerous “? I know you don’t mean it literally (perhaps you do). What you’re saying intuitively makes sense, but I haven’t been able to find anything that this level of awareness and processing correlates with really detrimental outcomes. I may well have missed it, of course.

    Sorry if I sounded a bit "exaggerated"! It will of course not immediately kill you, but as @michael_m has pointed out, sleep really is about relaxing (taking out of action) as many neurons as possible throughout the body to enable them to recover. Any biological (and physical, really) system will wear out with time the more it gets used, and neurons having to transmit information are no exception! :)

    Yes. It's interesting if you look at the old Ayurvedic texts, like the Caraka Samhita, and find the sections about Rasayana therapy (basically anti-aging), while this therapy is going on the patient is basically supposed to stay in seclusion most of the time, and protected from any sensory interruptions from the outside world. Also, see this (only slightly tongue in cheek, I think) tweet from that guy who's spent millions already on trying to become 'immortal':

    Lol, an extreme example, but certainly there are benefits to sleeping alone, and I personally prefer that anyone I date sleeps in a separate bed if they tend to move a lot or make noise during sleep. Only sleeping like a beached whale will mean it's possible I will tolerate them not sleeping upstairs - 😂 but actually I'm being serious - as I'm an extemely light sleeper.

    None of that surprises me :) and regarding light sleeper -- I think that's actually the natural state of affairs. Humans have, for the vast majority of their existence, depended on being "light sleepers" for survival ;) (the lighter, the better!). I know I sound like a broken record, but in reality, modern society is the problem, not light sleepers.

  • @michael_m said:
    Seriously though, while I live in a very quiet area I wake up easily when there is noise (particularly people’s voices, even if they are trying to be quiet), and what I have found is that yoga nidra works well and allows me to embrace any noise around me as I fall asleep. There are lots of resources online to learn, but once you become adept at it, sleeping becomes deeper and waking up is not a problem as you are prepared to fall back to sleep almost immediately. It’s worked well for me when I have been in hotels or anywhere else that the sleeping environment is less than ideal.

    I've googled yoga nidra but never found an explanation I could relate to. I meditate for an hour or more in bed every night until I fall asleep. But I also eat cannabis gummis in the evening and run several white noise machines along with the meditating, so it is a multivariate situation.

  • I have misophonia, and yeah eating noises bother me too @Gavinski .

    @SevenSystems How I sleep is with a white noise machine...

    https://a.co/d/hf1ptOV

    ...meditation...

    ...and weed (indica to be precise, although if that's illegal and CBD is not, at least CBD).

  • @GUB said:

    Right now I have a living situation that affords me tomblike silence almost all night, something I could not get anywhere else. It’s a precarious situation however because it’s not zoned for residential use.

    Like a business or industrial district? Once you get out in the country then there are different noises at night--crickets, frogs, squirrels fighting, etc.

  • I don't know if it's just me but the noise of running water really blocks all sounds for me. Maybe one of those small little fountain on a beside table could help.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Relaxation-Waterfall-Function,-Adjustable-Decoration/dp/B0B778H3D5/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1H4TOP5V4G8M5&keywords=water+fountain+indoor&qid=1694996424&sprefix=water+fountain+,aps,125&sr=8-3

  • @ecou said:
    I don't know if it's just me but the noise of running water really blocks all sounds for me. Maybe one of those small little fountain on a beside table could help.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Relaxation-Waterfall-Function,-Adjustable-Decoration/dp/B0B778H3D5/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1H4TOP5V4G8M5&keywords=water+fountain+indoor&qid=1694996424&sprefix=water+fountain+,aps,125&sr=8-3

    Or just an app - so many options. I also find this kind of noise an excellent aid to sleep in noisy conditions

  • @Gavinski said:

    @ecou said:
    I don't know if it's just me but the noise of running water really blocks all sounds for me. Maybe one of those small little fountain on a beside table could help.

    https://www.amazon.ca/Relaxation-Waterfall-Function,-Adjustable-Decoration/dp/B0B778H3D5/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?crid=1H4TOP5V4G8M5&keywords=water+fountain+indoor&qid=1694996424&sprefix=water+fountain+,aps,125&sr=8-3

    Or just an app - so many options. I also find this kind of noise an excellent aid to sleep in noisy conditions

    I tried a app and it's not the same. Real water seem to cover a wider spectrum of frequency blockage. For me a least.

  • I have an air purifier running at night. Makes enough noise that it cancels out a fair bit of outside noise. Noise you make yourself is predictable,so you get used to it.

  • . “There are self-contained white-noise generators, for this very reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-white-noise-machine/

    However, there're tons of free and cheap appstore apps that do the same thing. They offer various kinds of noise and/or nature/ambient sounds.

    Ultimately, if this is something that has only recently started happening I'd be inclined to give it a little time to acclimatise and/or to try other methods before throwing down a lot of money on other solutions. But that's up to you, of course.”

    Lately I’ve been cranking up a nice Pad tone on Sunrizer and hitting the Hold button, through some Bluetooth earbuds and I sleep pretty well…zzzzz

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    . “There are self-contained white-noise generators, for this very reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-white-noise-machine/

    However, there're tons of free and cheap appstore apps that do the same thing. They offer various kinds of noise and/or nature/ambient sounds.

    Ultimately, if this is something that has only recently started happening I'd be inclined to give it a little time to acclimatise and/or to try other methods before throwing down a lot of money on other solutions. But that's up to you, of course.”

    Lately I’ve been cranking up a nice Pad tone on Sunrizer and hitting the Hold button, through some Bluetooth earbuds and I sleep pretty well…zzzzz

    I would definitely try white noise or other noise generating apps. I think a standalone unit would be a total waste of money for most people.

    If paying for an expensive solution, a sleep chamber of some sort would be much better than expensive glazing solutions and the like because at least it's portable. You can take it with you if you move. It is also resellable. If you were able to manage to get a 2nd hand one you could potentially sell it for the same or even more than you bought it for - like music hardware!

  • Also, from the original post, 'I don't want to move'. Nobody likes moving, I mean packing up all tharlt stuff etc. Trust me, I just went through it. But if you're really looking at spending 5 grand Euro, or similar, it would probably be vastly cheaper to just pay for someone to sort out your whole moving process for you. If this noise is affecting your sleep, it is probably also affecting your enjoyment of your non waking hours as well. Having a quiet environment or at least one with nice noises (unobtrusive nature sounds, waves etc) is really important to my general wellbeing, ability to relax and to be creative. You're probably in that boat too @SevenSystems. Do you really like living in this place so much?

  • @Gavinski said:

    @NoiseHorse said:
    . “There are self-contained white-noise generators, for this very reason:

    https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/reviews/best-white-noise-machine/

    However, there're tons of free and cheap appstore apps that do the same thing. They offer various kinds of noise and/or nature/ambient sounds.

    Ultimately, if this is something that has only recently started happening I'd be inclined to give it a little time to acclimatise and/or to try other methods before throwing down a lot of money on other solutions. But that's up to you, of course.”

    Lately I’ve been cranking up a nice Pad tone on Sunrizer and hitting the Hold button, through some Bluetooth earbuds and I sleep pretty well…zzzzz

    I would definitely try white noise or other noise generating apps. I think a standalone unit would be a total waste of money for most people.

    As mentioned I've already developed a "white" noise app for myself 😁 it's helpful but doesn't fix the root problem.

    If paying for an expensive solution, a sleep chamber of some sort would be much better than expensive glazing solutions and the like because at least it's portable.

    ...and given that I live in rented accomodation... ;)

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