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3 months and NO Logic Pro 4 iPad update?!?

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  • @dendy said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Haha, I didn’t even notice he said that, those superlatives are there for decoration purposes. 😂

    no i mean it literally.. if i would be Dev, i would never release Logic in like it was released, it literally feels to me like devs were far away from done with their job (and especially UI designers if even any was part of team, which looks unlikely to me :-)) and some manager just said "hey guys, we just need to release it no matter in what stage of developement we are)

    That’s NOT true…

    Look at Logic Pro for Mac there many many plugins, FX and instruments, has UI since the 1990’s…

    Better word, perhaps they don’t have any specific UI department?

  • @dendy said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Haha, I didn’t even notice he said that, those superlatives are there for decoration purposes. 😂

    no i mean it literally.. if i would be Dev, i would never release Logic in like it was released, it literally feels to me like devs were far away from done with their job (and especially UI designers if even any was part of team, which looks unlikely to me :-)) and some manager just said "hey guys, we just need to release it no matter in what stage of developement we are)

    For the main app (without stock plugins) if their initial development plan was to position LP4iOS between GB and LP then they are mostly there. If they planned to have LP4iOS same as desktop LP feature wise (which I doubt) then you are right.

    Regarding stock plugins, it's a different story and I’m tired of commenting on it. I still have nightmares from the first time when I saw the Delay Designer port. 🥶

  • @Samu said:
    I think it's a quite safe bet to say that we'll have to wait at least until iPadOS17 drops before we get a Logic Pro for iPad update.

    Also I would NOT be at all surprised if iPadOS17 will be a requirement considering that it'll get improved virtual memory management which should in theory reduce the 'jetison' related crashes which happen when memory management bails...

    Would I like to see a ton of improvements in Logic Pro for iPad? Definitely!
    One of the biggest factors for me personally using it on a daily basis is that it doesn't tickle my 'stress nerve' and I feel calm using it which can't be said about certain other DAWs. One the 'work arounds' are cemented in the spine it just works.

    Have I had crashes? Sure!
    Can I easily provoke the crashes? Most Definitely YES!

    After creating a bunch of 'track presets' for the multi-out AUv3's using them is as easy as loading any other instrument.

    Sure it took some time to set up and could definitely be at least as simple as on Mac Logic (with a simple + in the mixer to add a sub-track to a multi-out capable instrument).

    I'm not really bothered by the 'new design' of the stock plug-ins as they are easier on my eyes than the desktop mess with gazillion of knobs cramped into a tiny space.

    For me to positives outweigh the negatives by a large margin, but that's just me...

    It will be fun to follow in which direction Cubasis goes as well, will it get a 'Sampler Track' is one of the main questions I have.
    What about track to track routing and fully featured send busses with return tracks?
    Will it get 'audio warping' and 'tempo track'?

    My gut tells me that will be reserved for Cubasis 4 which will likely be subscription (or $150 unlock) just like iPad Nuendo...

    Cheers!

    Totally fair. There indeed is a lot to like about Logic and I’ve warmed up to it a whole lot myself. That said, if Cubasis 4 comes and it’s got full track routing with busses and return tracks, drag to loop parts, and a couple other features mentioned, I’d happily pay the $150 unlock.

  • I’m curious what all the UI-unfinished people would consider a finished one to look like or be able to do? Do you mean you want it exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac or do you want it like something you’d design in your dreams?

  • Logic is a great addition to the iPad world. I can actually have fun doing a full band mix properly which used to be Auria’s zone. Once I’ve got used to the way the windows are organised it’s been getting easier and easier. I like Logic on the desktop so the transition has been easier to understand. There is a lot packed in there and overall it’s a bit of a bargain really. They sold me when I found that the solo buttons worked in the manner in which one would expect (ie actually like a mixing desk). The GUI is not too bad, sort of a mix between desktop Logic and Logic Remote. Actually it would be really nice if the mixing console could operate in one window like Logic Remote now that would be useful. Also, floating windows for plugins….

  • They released a new soundpack (at least I just got a notification).
    Vocal loops.

  • @R_2 said:
    They released a new soundpack (at least I just got a notification).
    Vocal loops.

    Interesting, I'm not seeing that yet.

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @R_2 said:
    They released a new soundpack (at least I just got a notification).
    Vocal loops.

    Interesting, I'm not seeing that yet.

    Perhaps restart Logic to refresh the sound library?

  • I’m beyond thrilled with LP4i…feel lucky to have finally found the software that makes my iPad Pro purchase feel worthwhile.

    I suppose others are still on that maddening multi-year quest Godspeed 😊

  • @realdawei said:
    I’m beyond thrilled with LP4i…feel lucky to have finally found the software that makes my iPad Pro purchase feel worthwhile.

    I suppose others are still on that maddening multi-year quest Godspeed 😊

    Same. It’s the first time I’m not waiting for that one missing feature.

    I’m sure I’ll find it soon enough 😉

  • @gregsmith said:

    @realdawei said:
    I’m beyond thrilled with LP4i…feel lucky to have finally found the software that makes my iPad Pro purchase feel worthwhile.

    I suppose others are still on that maddening multi-year quest Godspeed 😊

    Same. It’s the first time I’m not waiting for that one missing feature.

    I’m sure I’ll find it soon enough 😉

    Yeah I was seriously starting to lose patience with iPadOS music making in general,but now I’m having fun again, I get to keep using the unique plugins that make iOS special, and I have an easy(ish) way of moving work to my desktop if I want to add some desktop-only instruments and effects. So it’s raised the value of having Logic on desktop too. It is for sure a 1.0 release and I get it that folks with more advanced workflows are encountering roadblocks. I’ve hit a couple. But I’m back to being happy that I invested in an M1 iPad :smile:

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @gregsmith said:

    @realdawei said:
    I’m beyond thrilled with LP4i…feel lucky to have finally found the software that makes my iPad Pro purchase feel worthwhile.

    I suppose others are still on that maddening multi-year quest Godspeed 😊

    Same. It’s the first time I’m not waiting for that one missing feature.

    I’m sure I’ll find it soon enough 😉

    Yeah I was seriously starting to lose patience with iPadOS music making in general,but now I’m having fun again, I get to keep using the unique plugins that make iOS special, and I have an easy(ish) way of moving work to my desktop if I want to add some desktop-only instruments and effects. So it’s raised the value of having Logic on desktop too. It is for sure a 1.0 release and I get it that folks with more advanced workflows are encountering roadblocks. I’ve hit a couple. But I’m back to being happy that I invested in an M1 iPad :smile:

    IMHO, iOS music making is all about DAW-less setup. Now, if you have fun with half-baked classic DAW, I’m happy for you but it does not mean that everyone else must align with your affinity.

    For example, I can’t make anything without iOS DAW-less + desktop classic DAW in combination. Now that Logic Pro finally is available for iOS, I realize that I almost don’t need this thing at all, and lots of Audiobus forum members share the same feeling.

    Commenting about the lack of things in certain apps is one thing, but ridiculing other people's choices is another.

    Also, our friend @richardyot experienced a bloom in productivity, but someone else did the complete opposite. I think it is better to praise Richard and share joy with him, than slam those unlucky ones. 😎

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    I’m curious what all the UI-unfinished people would consider a finished one to look like or be able to do? Do you mean you want it exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac or do you want it like something you’d design in your dreams?

    No, it would definitely not look exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac, many of those UIs feel ancient. All I want from the native plugin UIs is that the controls are logically arranged, and dense enough that I don't have to scroll through five pages to find the knob I'm looking for. Things like hiding effects sections behind a tabbed view would go a long way here, and I know their UI framework can handle that, because Retro Synth does it. Just give us (in an imaginary example) a view of the oscillator section, a view of the filter section, a modulation view, and an effects view, like so many other plugins already do. I'd much rather tab than scroll.

    A lot of the built-in plugins have a UI that looks like it was built in XML. Apple is a company that built their reputation, at least in part, on designing and building beautiful and functional user interfaces. It's fair to expect more from them. I say this from a place of love :smile:

  • I still haven’t tried it lol
    Maybe before the end of the year
    All these other apps coming out all the time, take up all my interest
    I hardly use Logic on desktop tho, so maybe that’s why, all Ableton these days.

  • @mjm1138 said:

    @NoiseHorse said:
    I’m curious what all the UI-unfinished people would consider a finished one to look like or be able to do? Do you mean you want it exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac or do you want it like something you’d design in your dreams?

    No, it would definitely not look exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac, many of those UIs feel ancient. All I want from the native plugin UIs is that the controls are logically arranged, and dense enough that I don't have to scroll through five pages to find the knob I'm looking for. Things like hiding effects sections behind a tabbed view would go a long way here, and I know their UI framework can handle that, because Retro Synth does it. Just give us (in an imaginary example) a view of the oscillator section, a view of the filter section, a modulation view, and an effects view, like so many other plugins already do. I'd much rather tab than scroll.

    A lot of the built-in plugins have a UI that looks like it was built in XML. Apple is a company that built their reputation, at least in part, on designing and building beautiful and functional user interfaces. It's fair to expect more from them. I say this from a place of love :smile:

    Damn good feedback.

  • while i doubt this will change anybody’s mind about their design choices i have not seen this mentioned anywhere. apologies if i missed it. however it does seem that this is quite intentional (i actually agree with Apple’s choice to not port the UIs for sculpture or delay designer for example) as they have included a way to quickly navigate the plugins:


    is it the best? i dunno. but it gets the job done. 🤷

    @mjm1138 said:

    @NoiseHorse said:
    I’m curious what all the UI-unfinished people would consider a finished one to look like or be able to do? Do you mean you want it exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac or do you want it like something you’d design in your dreams?

    No, it would definitely not look exactly like Logic Pro X on Mac, many of those UIs feel ancient. All I want from the native plugin UIs is that the controls are logically arranged, and dense enough that I don't have to scroll through five pages to find the knob I'm looking for. Things like hiding effects sections behind a tabbed view would go a long way here, and I know their UI framework can handle that, because Retro Synth does it. Just give us (in an imaginary example) a view of the oscillator section, a view of the filter section, a modulation view, and an effects view, like so many other plugins already do. I'd much rather tab than scroll.

    A lot of the built-in plugins have a UI that looks like it was built in XML. Apple is a company that built their reputation, at least in part, on designing and building beautiful and functional user interfaces. It's fair to expect more from them. I say this from a place of love :smile:

  • R_2R_2
    edited August 2023

    @adam_murphy Thanks for that tip. Hadn’t tried the Section Overview yet.
    I like that it stays open when playing the onscreen keys or changing parameters (unlike other menus in Logic).

  • edited August 2023

    Logic for iPad is great.

    I can live with the shortcomings, especially as Logic for Mac is my main music making hub of everything.

    Some of the criticism is very valid. Some is laughable.

    It's interesting how some people seem to be at their happiest when they find something in Logic to laugh about.

    The core app is there. It does everything you'd want a DAW to do, including clip launching. The arrangement features are good and it has the I-can't-live-without non destructive parameters that make creating and arranging music easy for me. It didn't take me too long to find my way around the main app and find ways that work for me to switch between the UI elements I need. It's not perfect but on the whole there's not an app I've used on iPad that is any better. I know YMV with that, but I find all the iPad DAWs clunky in one way or another.

    As for the current laughing stock Sculpture UI, yeah it's not exactly great. But it's a plug-in. One that no other DAW on iOS has included. It's not integral to the app. I'm sure many people never use it. It doesn't affect the rest of the app. I know it's an example of what appears to be a rushed UI, and I agree with that. The Plug-in UIs seem to massively favour responsiveness wrt screen size rather than a cohesive design and it makes me wonder what's coming down the pipeline... Apple are obviously in a very favourable position as they know what hardware to build for. There's more to it than meats the eye, I'm sure. And the direction they've taken with the UIs is clearly quite easy to build upon. It doesn't worry me that they've taken this route.

    I love sculpture, but to be honest I've only ever used presets. Programming physical modelling sounds for scratch might be fun for some but I don't have the time to invest to get good at it! If I did, I'd probably start with Objekt in Reason in any case.

    AUM+tons of plugins is obviously what many people on this forum call home and that's awesome. It's a ton of fun and makes the iPad unique. Logic Pro is just like any Desktop DAW but limited by the iPad itself. Show a desktop musician your AUM setup and they might be impressed and would be hard pressed to duplicate it on their PC. Logic is just an inferior to desktop DAW.

    But for me that's completely missing the point. It means I can take all that fun AUM stuff and come up with stuff I'd never make in Logic and take it straight into Logic's Live Loops and elaborate upon it and arrange things in a way that AUM just isn't good at. It means I can start an idea and it can stay on iPad for much longer before it inevitably ends up in Logic on the Mac. And once in Logic for iPad, the features such as Alchemy Sampler, Beat Breaker and the touch surfaces for playing in notes make it a really cool environment to make music. I love having that change of scenery. Being able to take that straight into Logic on my Mac with no friction is the clincher.

    It's clear that a lot of the forum members don't need a Logic to finish their AUM tracks. They've learnt to use the iPad in unique ways to make their styles of music. Perhaps their music is influenced by the tools they like to use rather than the other way around even? It's cool either way. I'm not knocking it but I can't make songs with AUM. I can come up with ideas using it and like the way it makes me think differently, but the thought of using it to arrange a track is frightening.

    Logic Pro is by far the most complete music app for iPad. It's the only one I actually want to use on iPad for my style of music. The things people here love to complain about are not deal breakers for me.

    I'm obviously massively biased as I've been a Logic user since v1. All the DAWs on iPad up to now have felt like toys in comparison. I'm very impressed with what Apple have done with v1 of L4iP. I'm looking forward to how Logic on Mac and iPad develop. And I'm in no rush to keep upgrading/updating. I've not run into any show-stoppers so far.

    Also, if you've been a user of Apple devices for a long time you should know that the summer is not a time for Apple to release stuff. They are hard at work getting the next iOS release ready for the September iPhone event and all the major OSes get a release soon. Apple rarely release anything in August other than OS betas. October/November tend to me when the major updates to Logic have been released for Mac.

  • @R_2 said:
    @adam_murphy Thanks for that tip. Hadn’t tried the Section Overview yet.
    I like that it stays open when playing the onscreen keys or changing parameters (unlike others menus in Logic).

    On top of that you can choose how 'size' of the objects that are being used are and that cleans up the layout quite nicely (auto is most of the time hit or miss, it's better to set the size). For my degrading eyes the 'new' style is easier on the eyes compared to the old 'old' desktop versions which cause severe eye-strain (Sculpture and ES2 being pretty good offenders here).

    Even the desktop Alchemy could use some re-work as it's far from a pleasure to use...
    (The overhaul from ESX24 to the 'new' big Sampler is one example of how things can be made better).

    For the iPad version Import & Export and Files.app integration to the browser is one of those things I almost expect to see in the update, others would be improved audio editing, flex time & pitch (it can already play back edits made on the Mac) and some destructive tools to trim and normalize audio, transient based selection and minor things like that.

    And it could lose some of the 'senility' and remember a thing or two instead of always reverting to defaults.

    My best bet for when the update eventually drops is some time after iPadOS17 is released...

  • edited August 2023

    @Samu said:

    @R_2 said:
    @adam_murphy Thanks for that tip. Hadn’t tried the Section Overview yet.
    I like that it stays open when playing the onscreen keys or changing parameters (unlike others menus in Logic).

    On top of that you can choose how 'size' of the objects that are being used are and that cleans up the layout quite nicely (auto is most of the time hit or miss, it's better to set the size). For my degrading eyes the 'new' style is easier on the eyes compared to the old 'old' desktop versions which cause severe eye-strain (Sculpture and ES2 being pretty good offenders here).

    Even the desktop Alchemy could use some re-work as it's far from a pleasure to use...
    (The overhaul from ESX24 to the 'new' big Sampler is one example of how things can be made better).

    As I said in my post above, I think the UI is how it is as they've built the underlying framework to enable plug-ins to have responsive UIs but haven't yet put the time into the actual finished plug-in UIs beyond the minimum functionality yet. It may take a while before they 'fix' it though!

    They've made a system that is very responsive unlike the traditional desktop VST which are based on fixed ratio windows and have only just really started to even add scalable UIs. The responsive UI of the iPad version takes into consideration the fact you can use the same iPad in portrait or Landscape very easily and I regularly turn my iPad around depending on the task.

    I'm sure they'll iterate on the UIs and make them work better over time.

    They've never been in a rush. Many of the plugins such as Sculpture, Ultrabeat and ES2 on the Mac are virtually unchanged from the days of Emagic.

    The Apple-introduced UIs tend to be a lot clearer, easier to use and much more boring :lol:

    For the iPad version Import & Export and Files.app integration to the browser is one of those things I almost expect to see in the update, others would be improved audio editing, flex time & pitch (it can already play back edits made on the Mac) and some destructive tools to trim and normalize audio, transient based selection and minor things like that.

    On the Mac Normalising is already non-destructive, Normalising just changes the Gain parameter. I think the whole integrated files app thing is totally overblown. The slide over works fine. They can improve it greatly to remember your locations and be more dynamic and respond to which app you're sliding over, but UI wise I can live with it just fine as it would take up a ton of screen real estate where the slide over is easily dismissed. It definitely needs a lot of work to make it smoother to use, but I'd be fine with it being the files app slide over pane.

    And it could lose some of the 'senility' and remember a thing or two instead of always reverting to defaults.

    100%

    My best bet for when the update eventually drops is some time after iPadOS17 is released...

    Yeah, late Sept/Early Oct would be my guess. I'll be happy to be proven wrong.

    Logic updates on the Mac have never come thick and fast.

  • @klownshed said:
    Logic for iPad is great.

    I can live with the shortcomings, especially as Logic for Mac is my main music making hub of everything.

    Some of the criticism is very valid. Some is laughable.

    It's interesting how some people seem to be at their happiest when they find something in Logic to laugh about.

    The core app is there. It does everything you'd want a DAW to do, including clip launching. The arrangement features are good and it has the I-can't-live-without non destructive parameters that make creating and arranging music easy for me. It didn't take me too long to find my way around the main app and find ways that work for me to switch between the UI elements I need. It's not perfect but on the whole there's not an app I've used on iPad that is any better. I know YMV with that, but I find all the iPad DAWs clunky in one way or another.

    As for the current laughing stock Sculpture UI, yeah it's not exactly great. But it's a plug-in. One that no other DAW on iOS has included. It's not integral to the app. I'm sure many people never use it. It doesn't affect the rest of the app. I know it's an example of what appears to be a rushed UI, and I agree with that. The Plug-in UIs seem to massively favour responsiveness wrt screen size rather than a cohesive design and it makes me wonder what's coming down the pipeline... Apple are obviously in a very favourable position as they know what hardware to build for. There's more to it than meats the eye, I'm sure. And the direction they've taken with the UIs is clearly quite easy to build upon. It doesn't worry me that they've taken this route.

    I love sculpture, but to be honest I've only ever used presets. Programming physical modelling sounds for scratch might be fun for some but I don't have the time to invest to get good at it! If I did, I'd probably start with Objekt in Reason in any case.

    AUM+tons of plugins is obviously what many people on this forum call home and that's awesome. It's a ton of fun and makes the iPad unique. Logic Pro is just like any Desktop DAW but limited by the iPad itself. Show a desktop musician your AUM setup and they might be impressed and would be hard pressed to duplicate it on their PC. Logic is just an inferior to desktop DAW.

    But for me that's completely missing the point. It means I can take all that fun AUM stuff and come up with stuff I'd never make in Logic and take it straight into Logic's Live Loops and elaborate upon it and arrange things in a way that AUM just isn't good at. It means I can start an idea and it can stay on iPad for much longer before it inevitably ends up in Logic on the Mac. And once in Logic for iPad, the features such as Alchemy Sampler, Beat Breaker and the touch surfaces for playing in notes make it a really cool environment to make music. I love having that change of scenery. Being able to take that straight into Logic on my Mac with no friction is the clincher.

    It's clear that a lot of the forum members don't need a Logic to finish their AUM tracks. They've learnt to use the iPad in unique ways to make their styles of music. Perhaps their music is influenced by the tools they like to use rather than the other way around even? It's cool either way. I'm not knocking it but I can't make songs with AUM. I can come up with ideas using it and like the way it makes me think differently, but the thought of using it to arrange a track is frightening.

    Logic Pro is by far the most complete music app for iPad. It's the only one I actually want to use on iPad for my style of music. The things people here love to complain about are not deal breakers for me.

    I'm obviously massively biased as I've been a Logic user since v1. All the DAWs on iPad up to now have felt like toys in comparison. I'm very impressed with what Apple have done with v1 of L4iP. I'm looking forward to how Logic on Mac and iPad develop. And I'm in no rush to keep upgrading/updating. I've not run into any show-stoppers so far.

    Also, if you've been a user of Apple devices for a long time you should know that the summer is not a time for Apple to release stuff. They are hard at work getting the next iOS release ready for the September iPhone event and all the major OSes get a release soon. Apple rarely release anything in August other than OS betas. October/November tend to me when the major updates to Logic have been released for Mac.

    Not to dismiss your entire argument to focus on one thing but I do think it’s worth mentioning a lot of people here (majority honestly) are iPad only. So not everyone has the means or luxury to just take their projects to a desktop to finish it. I think that’s why some people are disappointed as I think the collective we were hoping for a desktop quality DAW and it’s not there yet.

    Which is fine for me. I’m just using it to launch clips and master/arrange/finish tracks from AUM. But I can see why some people are more critical. Every time on these threads it ends up being people criticizing logic, then defenders defending it, then criticizers getting mad about that, then defenders getting mad about that, etc. It’s tiring lol.

    I think at this point it’s just safe to say there’s good and bad things about it and it’s definitely not perfect but inevitably someone will come along and even pick that apart.

  • @klownshed said:

    On the Mac Normalising is already non-destructive, Normalising just changes the Gain parameter.

    Yepp! The 'region normalize' (to Peak or LUFS) using clip gain us super handy!

    On the Mac destructive gain can be applied in the file-editor from where it's also possible to save a copy of the file, make a backup etc. The file editor can also be used to set the anchor point for a file, embed loop meta-data, repair clicks (by drawing) and some other things which might come in handy.

    I think the whole integrated files app thing is totally overblown. The slide over works fine.

    I humbly disagree here, being able to quickly preview and access files is a work-flow enhancement.

    The 'Files.app' Pop-Over way that is currently in use is a big mess when it comes to preview with other apps being able to 'hijack' the file-type totally breaking the QuickLook preview (ie. instead of QuickLook preview the file gets opened by the app that has somehow hijacked the file-type).

    Being able to 'preview' audio at the project key/tempo is something that is very handy.

    Also being able to 'drag export' of audio and midi-regions to a favorite location is another thing (there's no 'Drag to Finder' on iPadOS like there is on the Mac).

    They can improve it greatly to remember your locations and be more dynamic and respond to which app you're sliding over, but UI wise I can live with it just fine as it would take up a ton of screen real estate where the slide over is easily dismissed.

    This can NOT be done on a 'per app basis' on iOS/iPadOS as the Files.app pop-over has no clue on which app is under it and the host app can NOT communicate with a Files.app pop-over instance to set file-paths etc.

    This is why it has to be integrated into the Browser. There the host can set the 'path' for the files-pane to show the content at the selected location.

    And it could lose some of the 'senility' and remember a thing or two instead of always reverting to defaults.

    100%

    >

    I'm still puzzled why it's not implemented from the start...
    ...quite sure this has to be improved for the next update.

    Logic updates on the Mac have never come thick and fast.

    True, but there's been quite a few updates...
    ...will be interesting to see if it will be 'Logic 11' and if it'll go sub or not...

    Cheers!

  • @HotStrange said:

    Not to dismiss your entire argument to focus on one thing but I do think it’s worth mentioning a lot of people here (majority honestly) are iPad only. So not everyone has the means or luxury to just take their projects to a desktop to finish it. I think that’s why some people are disappointed as I think the collective we were hoping for a desktop quality DAW and it’s not there yet.

    I can only speak from my own experiences, as does everybody else, and made my biases abundantly clear. Everybody has different priorities, that's obvious.

    Ignoring my specific situation and being as objective as I can possibly be, when I look at Logic for iPad and compare it to eveyrthing else on iPad, see the most full featured DAW by FAR. It brings a huge chunk of the feature set of the desktop version to the iPad in a way that suits the iPad UX. It has brought iPad only features such as Sample Alchemy that even if they do become available on desktop will be WAY better on a touch screen device. How can LP4iP be more 'desktop class' without being run on a desktop OS? The OS is the most significant limiting factor.

    LP4iP is clearly far from perfect, but it's a bloody good start. It took me a few days to get my head around the best way (for me) to navigate -- double taps here and there help enormously when you want to focus on something specific for example, but it all works fine. I'm much faster on desktop but I find LP4iP to be remarkably good considering I'm supposed to operate it using fat fingers. The UI can never be "desktop quality" as it's built for a touch screen. It was never going to be the same.

    As for people being disappointed, that's their prerogative. I'm personally surprised at the level of disappointment but it doesn't affect me either way.

    Ultimately your disappointment levels probably depend on what you define as "desktop quality". In most aspects Logic is exactly the same, quality wise. The plug-ins sound the same, the audio engine is the same, the bussing/aux channels are more or less the same. There's no lack of audio quality. The main differences are obviously in the UI. One is built for a desktop OS and the other isn't.

    All the tools needed for me to make a full track from start to finish in Logic are there. I can record audio. I can bounce Vis to audio and mangle them. I can move things around the timeline to arrange things. I can quantise/transpose etc from the parameter in the arrange window non destructively (including audio) which speeds up things compared to every other DAW on iPad enormously. I can cut up regions. I can stretch them. The built in plugins such as the compressors are great, and desktop quality. And hundreds more examples I can't be arsed to type, and I'm sure nobody wants to read.

    As with every other DAW, you can fill the gaps with third party plug-ins. I'm sure most people already have suitable alternatives for things like Alchemy and the full featured sampler that aren't fully functional yet in Logic.

    If you want the full desktop experience, you need a desktop computer.

    Most people using iPads only surely don't want a desktop experience though do they? The unique iPad experience comes with cons as well as pros and always will.

  • I’m curious if anyone else finds it frustrating that samples are duplicated when imported? I tend to chop up full tracks in quick sampler or the timeline and I’ve already used up about 5gb of space since release due to all these duplicated samples. To me, it feels like Logic should really just reference the files unless I specifically ask Logic to “collect all and save” as Ableton would do.

  • @somblebeats said:
    I’m curious if anyone else finds it frustrating that samples are duplicated when imported? I tend to chop up full tracks in quick sampler or the timeline and I’ve already used up about 5gb of space since release due to all these duplicated samples. To me, it feels like Logic should really just reference the files unless I specifically ask Logic to “collect all and save” as Ableton would do.

    Do make sure to use crop and delete the history in the QuickSampler as that will save space especially if one only need a fraction from longer files for the QuickSampler chops.

    Referencing files outside the apps own container is tricky on iPadOS so for now Logic Pro for iPad has to play it safe and copy the content into the current projects bundle/folder for easy transfer of projects.

    iOS/iPadOS apps have always copied content with a few exceptions and while it may look like 'real copies' they don't take any additional storage on the device thanks to APFS (the calculated storage is NOT the same as actual storage used).

  • @Samu said:

    Referencing files outside the apps own container is tricky on iPadOS so for now Logic Pro for iPad has to play it safe and copy the content into the current projects bundle/folder for easy transfer of projects.

    iOS/iPadOS apps have always copied content with a few exceptions and while it may look like 'real copies' they don't take any additional storage on the device thanks to APFS (the calculated storage is NOT the same as actual storage used).

    Thanks, yeah it definitely feels pretty janky! I’ve used the ‘fake copies’ process a bunch to have my full sample library available in BM3, CB3 & Drambo without any extra storage being taken up (verified in settings), but I’ve just checked with chucking 1gb of samples into a Logic project and it does indeed add 1gb to my total storage in settings.

    Not holding my breath for them to change this since it’s necessary for bringing projects across to desktop, which I imagine Apple sees a a core use-case (not that I own desktop Logic myself haha). I guess I’ll just offload old projects to an external drive when the time comes!

  • I don’t hate Logic Pro for IPad and I’m not expecting any major updates after on 4 months….MAJOR updates for the desktop version don’t happen that frequently but after my yearly subscription runs out I might just do monthly and just for when I think I’ll be using it because I’m just not finding myself using it all that much, mainly because I’m using my MacBook 98% of the time for audio production

  • @klownshed said:

    I think the whole integrated files app thing is totally overblown. The slide over works fine.

    While I certainly understand the complaints, they made exactly the same decision I would have. Using drag-and-drop provides a lot of functionality for less work. It lets people import from any source that supports drag-and-drop. There’s the potential for third-party apps to provide browsing & preview UXs that serve people with different tastes for such things. And it gave them time to spend on other things that would have added to the “incomplete” list otherwise.

    Being able to import without drag-and-drop is certainly something they should add, but—to me—this was 100% the right choice for 1.0.

    @HotStrange said:

    Not to dismiss your entire argument to focus on one thing but I do think it’s worth mentioning a lot of people here (majority honestly) are iPad only.

    For the little that it’s worth… For me, Logic may have kept me being iPad only. On the one hand, I’d found myself more productive on the iPad than I’d been on the Mac. But on the other hand, the frustrations I ran into with the other iPad DAWs made me question sticking with it. Logic came along just in time for the last track of my EP and took away more frustrations than it introduced. For me. It may not be for everyone, but it is for me.

    Ironically, I’m actually considering getting Logic for Mac only so that I can migrate some old Garageband for Mac projects to Logic for iPad.

  • @fisherro said:

    @klownshed said:

    I think the whole integrated files app thing is totally overblown. The slide over works fine.

    While I certainly understand the complaints, they made exactly the same decision I would have. Using drag-and-drop provides a lot of functionality for less work. It lets people import from any source that supports drag-and-drop. There’s the potential for third-party apps to provide browsing & preview UXs that serve people with different tastes for such things. And it gave them time to spend on other things that would have added to the “incomplete” list otherwise.

    Being able to import without drag-and-drop is certainly something they should add, but—to me—this was 100% the right choice for 1.0.

    @HotStrange said:

    Not to dismiss your entire argument to focus on one thing but I do think it’s worth mentioning a lot of people here (majority honestly) are iPad only.

    For the little that it’s worth… For me, Logic may have kept me being iPad only. On the one hand, I’d found myself more productive on the iPad than I’d been on the Mac. But on the other hand, the frustrations I ran into with the other iPad DAWs made me question sticking with it. Logic came along just in time for the last track of my EP and took away more frustrations than it introduced. For me. It may not be for everyone, but it is for me.

    Ironically, I’m actually considering getting Logic for Mac only so that I can migrate some old Garageband for Mac projects to Logic for iPad.

    Definitely understand and I have read a couple of people saying it’s been a big draw to keep them on the iPad and I’m sure it’s been the factor for a lot of people upgrading to a new iPad or buying an iPad in general.

    I was never gonna leave the iPad OS environment anyway but seeing Logic come to the iPad did give me more hope for the longevity of it all and kinda makes it seem like it’s just getting started.

  • I think the praise vs criticism of LP4i has been reasonably balanced by the numbers.

    Just a couple of overly vociferous critics with an obvious agenda to simply undermine it at all costs.

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