Audiobus: Use your music apps together.

What is Audiobus?Audiobus is an award-winning music app for iPhone and iPad which lets you use your other music apps together. Chain effects on your favourite synth, run the output of apps or Audio Units into an app like GarageBand or Loopy, or select a different audio interface output for each app. Route MIDI between apps — drive a synth from a MIDI sequencer, or add an arpeggiator to your MIDI keyboard — or sync with your external MIDI gear. And control your entire setup from a MIDI controller.

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Cheapest iOS options for loopy pro (second screen)

edited July 2023 in Loopy Pro

I am VERY new to iOS and don't know what to look for in specs for early models [edit of ipads or iphones]

I am looking for a second device purely for a second control screen and for loading synths to a midi keyboard auv3

Maybe some mini recording on the go, but nothing serious

Any recommendations for what to look for in both used ipads and iphones

Thanks!

Comments

  • Have you already worked out how you plan to connect these devices?

  • edited July 2023

    At ~5:20 of

    Alex uses Minimittr's 'advertise' to connect em together (with a "success!" at 5:54)

  • Ok, so midi rather than audio. 👍

  • @wim said:
    Ok, so midi rather than audio. 👍

    Oh yessir, my bad. Important info I assume lol

  • edited July 2023

    This seems like a good idea:

    £25 inc shipping. (!) from Temu

    www.temu.com

  • edited July 2023

    @Svetlovska said:
    This seems like a good idea:

    £25 inc shipping. (!) from Temu

    www.temu.com

    Been eyeing that up. Saw a Bluetooth one, similar found the same thing, on Amazon for like $30

    However, here, I'm looking for the earliest models of ipads and phones I can find used, on which I can use another instance loopy pro as an auxiliary midi controller for my main device

    (Not looking for sales here, just advice of model options for which I can keep my eyes peeled. I know practically ziltch about iOS)

    Sorry if my post was confusing

  • wimwim
    edited July 2023

    You don’t need much for what you’ve said you want to do. But for longevity reasons you might want to consider getting a model that isn’t stuck at iOS 15. You should be able to easily find by searching for “iPadOS 16 device model requirements”.

  • @wim

    A wonderful! Just the info I needed. Will do thanks!

  • You should be aware of the development in connections of the hardware. The 30-pin connector of the earliest models was replaced by the Lightning connector, which may be being phased out and replaced by USB-C. (My 2018 iPad has USB-C.) Yes, there are adapters, but those made by or approved of by Apple are likely to be expensive, and the rest may be cutting corners in functionality.
    Furthermore, the headphones connector that Svetlovska mentioned is on its way out. (Even my 2015 iPad lacks it.)
    On the other hand, iPads, iPhones and iPods are good at Bluetooth connections. (Mind the delay.)

  • Bluetooth midi is very low latency.

  • edited July 2023

    @ChrisLaarman said:
    You should be aware of the development in connections of the hardware. The 30-pin connector of the earliest models was replaced by the Lightning connector, which may be being phased out and replaced by USB-C. (My 2018 iPad has USB-C.) Yes, there are adapters, but those made by or approved of by Apple are likely to be expensive, and the rest may be cutting corners in functionality.
    Furthermore, the headphones connector that Svetlovska mentioned is on its way out. (Even my 2015 iPad lacks it.)
    On the other hand, iPads, iPhones and iPods are good at Bluetooth connections. (Mind the delay.)

    Oh that im well versed in lol (But thanks for the reminder!)

    Upside, this is purely for a secondary touch controller with benefits. Running a ipad 10th gen as main (USBc baybee. Now I gotta find a good vape with a USBC to get rid of micros in my house all together. That's the worst part about vape addiction ;))

    Got TouchOSC somewhat working from my Samsung to the iPad (wireless, to boot), but it's flaky as sin.

    Just weighing options and sending word to friends that may have spare older devices available

    (Heh, got about 8 defunct android tablets years ago... 5 worked... 4 became additional screens/controllers. One was a clock that I would put my stream on, to see if there were any issues, 2 TouchOSC, 1 touchportal, and one was general aux (quick searches, music, reddit)

    I'd love to start the addiction again xD

  • @wim said:
    Bluetooth midi is very low latency.

    That is wonderful news

    Makes complete sense but with the bullshittery of Bluetooth, i assumed nothing but issues. I've only wifi'd OSCs (and loved stadia. Wifi control was insane when I had nothing but Bluetooth controller issues for so long)

    Always looking for wifi connectivity

  • wimwim
    edited July 2023

    @UncleTed said:

    @wim said:
    Bluetooth midi is very low latency.

    That is wonderful news

    Makes complete sense but with the bullshittery of Bluetooth, i assumed nothing but issues. I've only wifi'd OSCs (and loved stadia. Wifi control was insane when I had nothing but Bluetooth controller issues for so long)

    Always looking for wifi connectivity

    My experience is the opposite. Nothing but problems with midi over wiFi and no problems at all with BLE Midi. And I know a lot about optimizing wifi and networking in general.

    btw, it's possible to use Network Session over Ethernet if you have USB ethernet adapters for your devices. This works very well. It's also possible to establish a single point-to-point Network session over USB cable. One device has to be hooked up to a USB hub host port, and the other to the same hub in a regular guest port.

  • I just tried what you’re wanting to do with a 9.7” pro as the controller and M1 Pro as the main guy.

    Works fine for just general control of loops but I wouldn’t want to be playing notes over bluetooth. I couldn’t get the point to point network method to work with a usb hub like @wim is suggesting but that’s probably me not understanding it properly.

  • iPad 3 is 1st iPad with bt midi.

  • @UncleTed said:

    @wim said:
    Bluetooth midi is very low latency.

    That is wonderful news

    Makes complete sense but with the bullshittery of Bluetooth, i assumed nothing but issues. I've only wifi'd OSCs (and loved stadia. Wifi control was insane when I had nothing but Bluetooth controller issues for so long)

    Always looking for wifi connectivity

    WiFi is going to generally have both more latency than Bluetooth midi and also more jitter. There are exceptions.

    What Bluetooth controller issues did you have.

  • wimwim
    edited July 2023

    @BroCoast said:
    I just tried what you’re wanting to do with a 9.7” pro as the controller and M1 Pro as the main guy.

    Works fine for just general control of loops but I wouldn’t want to be playing notes over bluetooth.

    I've carefully measured 2-3 ms added delay with Bluetooth Midi. That's acceptable for me, but some people are more tolerant of latency than others. My keyboard skills aren't good enough for me to discern the difference.

    I couldn’t get the point to point network method to work with a usb hub like @wim is suggesting but that’s probably me not understanding it properly.

    Connections methods vary depending on the device. I only have lightning devices so setup is probably different for me. I can direct connect with only the CCK to a lightning cable out to the other device.

    The mighty @espiegel123 has put up a wiki article on this. https://wiki.audiob.us/doku.php?id=loopy_pro_direct_midi_between_two_ios_devices. The key is, if a hub is needed (for USB C devices), one device must be plugged into the host port of a hub.

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