Audiobus: Use your music apps together.

What is Audiobus?Audiobus is an award-winning music app for iPhone and iPad which lets you use your other music apps together. Chain effects on your favourite synth, run the output of apps or Audio Units into an app like GarageBand or Loopy, or select a different audio interface output for each app. Route MIDI between apps — drive a synth from a MIDI sequencer, or add an arpeggiator to your MIDI keyboard — or sync with your external MIDI gear. And control your entire setup from a MIDI controller.

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  • @wim said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @wim said:

    @dendy said:
    If you may choose between Moog going bankrupt because they lost ability being competitive on market (because of monstrous production expenses) and option of cancellong their US productio, keeping just design/developement, oursourcing production to asia - which would make possible literally keep brand in existence ā€¦

    What option would you choose ?
    Because i believe this is what happened here.

    Btw. Modal Electronics went insolvent recently too. Itā€™s reality of this world, no matter how great product you have - either you raise prices very hard (what Elektron did), OR you oursource production to China. Inflation which happened in recent 2 yeaes thanks to irresponsible printing of new money by central banks hit us hard.

    You may not like it but it is reality. Pretty sure it was not nice move for Moog employees and i feel sorry for all people who lost their jobs. Hope they will find new one soon, it for sure really sucks.

    Anyway, I rather vote for outsourcing option and keeping brand in exisrence, than having it slowly bleed and die. Ironically in that case, those people would loose job anyway.

    Itā€™s sad, but nobody shouls blame InMusic for wanting to be profitable. Or anybody expected they bought Moog from pure charity reasons ?

    Well said @Dendy. You said what I was thinking but didn't want to take the grief for saying it.

    As for lies vs. just practical / changing reality I can't say, but I think it's reasonable to think the sale would have happened no matter what was said. Surely it was go belly up and have everyone lose immediately, or grab the lifeline and hope for the best. Sometimes things can be turned around, but it's silly to think it just happens by magic and without cutting expenses in some painful ways. Whether it's a small shop or an umbrella company, payroll has to come from somewhere. If a division can't at least sustain itself you can't keep it alive forever. The article did say that the layoffs were of production staff for the production being outsourced to China, but that limited specialty / high-end products would continue to be made there, presumably by a much smaller staff.

    It sucks. But it's reality if there's just not a sustainable business model for boutique products.

    (Also - if it's true that the business was to some extent "employee owned" at the time of the sale, then the employees would have gottenat least some part of the sale proceeds, as opposed to losing everything if it went bankrupt.)

    Again Wim, both you and Dendy are missing the main point being discussed. The issue is not the reality of the US increasingly being a non-competitive site for manufacturing. The issue is the difference between the message communicated in the letter by the Moog president published just a few months ago, and the reality of this new announcement.

    Well and good. But that don't change the economic reality.
    You're free to be outraged. I don't bother doing do so if I have skin in the game and can influence the outcome.
    Have fun chewing on it tho if it makes you feel better. šŸ˜‰

    Ah, haha, it's hardly affecting my emotional wellbeing, but I think it's important for companies to know that if they behave like that they will be called out for it.

  • edited September 2023

    Whenever a company changes hands, the last thing the new owners want is a mass exit. That comes later in the restructure. Everyone is always told ā€œitā€™s still business as normalā€ so new management has some time to figure out the best direction.

    Thinking your job/position arenā€™t being re-evaluated in the near future when your company has been bought out by a mega conglomerate/private equity is pretty naive. The one telling you ā€œeverything is fineā€ isnā€™t the boss anymoreā€¦..he just sold his stake too.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2023

    Coming from the US itā€™s almost natural to be fatalistic (cynical?) about this stuff. Unless you have a union job, in most states you can be let go at managementā€™s whim at any time. We all know management ā€œwordā€ donā€™t mean shit and we can be gone any time. You just expect theyā€™ll say what serves them best at the time then march you out the door with zero warning on layoff day.

    In Europe for instance itā€™s vastly different. Worker protections are much stronger and terminating employment is near impossible and usually extremely expensive. Two companies I worked for gave up trying to shut down badly unprofitable divisions in Germany and France because of the vast legal cost of settling with the employees and the government.

    I can see very well why some things that cause some to feel outraged are met with what probably seems like callous indifference by people like me.

  • Interesting, yeah I guess in Europe our expectations are a bit different, at least for older age groups, maybe not for Gen Zs. Sometimes it's easy to forget how different the US is to most of Europe.

  • @wim said:
    Coming from the US itā€™s almost natural to be fatalistic (cynical?) about this stuff. Unless you have a union job, in most states you can be let go at managementā€™s whim at any time. We all know management ā€œwordā€ donā€™t mean shit and we can be gone any time. You just expect theyā€™ll say what serves them best at the time then march you out the door with zero warning on layoff day.

    In Europe for instance itā€™s vastly different. Worker protections are much stronger and terminating employment is near impossible and usually extremely expensive. Two companies I worked for gave up trying to shut down badly unprofitable divisions in Germany and France because of the vast legal cost of settling with the employees and the government.

    I can see very well why some things that cause some to feel outraged are met with what probably seems like callous indifference by people like me.

    Those additional worker protections in various EU countries also make those countries less competitive. China has no worker unions (at least none comparable to their western counterparts since the unions are also controlled by their government), and workers are not expected to continue to work for one factory for their entire life.

  • edited September 2023

    @wim
    In Europe for instance itā€™s vastly different. Worker protections are much stronger and terminating employment is near impossible and usually extremely expensive. Two companies I worked for gave up trying to shut down badly unprofitable divisions in Germany and France because of the vast legal cost of settling with the employees and the government.

    Itā€™s just me who see this absolutely sick ? Europe is in many aspects more and more like wet dream of socialists. Personally doesnā€™t like that..

    Problem: When people loose job it may take some time until they finsd new one. During that time they live from savings.

    Solution: Keep taxes low enough so people can use significant part of their income for savings. That way they would have financial buffer and loosing job would be not immediate threat to them. Also do not tax low income groups at all.

    That tway you donā€™t need to force companies to hold unprofitable divisions, which are basically financed by other profitable ones - which is pretty much unfair.

    Of course this is not that bad equally in every country - Germany is one extreme and absolutely worst situation is in France. In Slovakia for example, itā€™s just you can terminate employment immediately, you must do it in 3 months period after announcement (mandatory for both employer and employee) until there is not some major issue (like employee broke some major employer rule).
    There is optionality of terminating job immediately and get 3 months of paycheck but this is on free choice of employer and itā€™s quite rare.

  • Taxes were borne to raise armies, in the USA thatā€™s still in effect, take a look at itā€™s fiscal budget.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2023

    Ugh. Iā€™m out. I feel like a turd for saying anything to trigger a political debate. It was meant as a social / cultural commentary for context. Only.

    Screw this. Sorry for the derail.

    šŸ¤¬

  • @wim said:
    Ugh. Iā€™m out. I feel like a turd for saying anything to trigger a political debate. Screw this.

    šŸ¤¬

    Yeahā€‹ ā€‹that degenerated quickly lol. Let's just keep the taxes etc arguments out of it, those have been done to death, please people. Everyone here knows everyone else's positions on those things at this point, nobody's likely to change their political or economic views as a result of anything said here, and it will probably just lead to an important thread getting shut down.

  • Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

  • @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least!

    Lol, I literally made whole patch bank for Obsiduan build just using sampled materials from Model D SW and Behringer Model D HWšŸ¤£

    https://dendy.gumroad.com/l/pggmb?layout=profile

  • @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Ah... Hard to say? I doubt they want to completely destroy the image of the brand, that would just be remarkably stupid. Even though a lot of damage has been done by the contrast between the letter posted at the start of this thread and the actions announced yesterday, just a few short months after the takeover. I would hope that the software side won't get affected as much as the hardware, but frankly who really knows.

  • wimwim
    edited September 2023

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Why all the drama? They laid off some people working on building hardware in the US to move production to China. That has nothing to do with software. Those apps are great marketing and virtually all the cost has already been put into them. Keeping them running is well worth the small cost to do so. Letting them die would hurt the brand.

    I don't believe this has any impact at all on the future of those apps. The only thing that would impact your use of them is if they decided the whopping $99 a year developer account fee was more than they could handle and they disappeared from the App Store. That simply isn't going to happen. Even then you'd only be affected if you got a new device and didn't have a backup of the app. OK, there's a remote chance an iOS update could break an app and they wouldn't fix it. Highly unlikely.

    As for hardware, it's not like all the Moog synths in the world magically cease to function if the company disappears (which also isn't going to happen).

  • @Gavinski said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Ah... Hard to say? I doubt they want to completely destroy the image of the brand, that would just be remarkably stupid. Even though a lot of damage has been done by the contrast between the letter posted at the start of this thread and the actions announced yesterday, just a few short months after the takeover. I would hope that the software side won't get affected as much as the hardware, but frankly who really knows.

    Moog software is a pure work of art. I already backup desktop ones, but with iOS, it is always trouble. If the main programming team is out, future development and update support is uncertain, and there is a 90% chance it will be nonexistent.

    I hope something positive will happen.

  • But according to the recent news, the people who were fired were workers from the factory. Didn't hear anything about the software devs being affected, but hard to know what to expect in the future, and clearly any official announcements deserve to be treated with some scepticism.

    @Luxthor said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Ah... Hard to say? I doubt they want to completely destroy the image of the brand, that would just be remarkably stupid. Even though a lot of damage has been done by the contrast between the letter posted at the start of this thread and the actions announced yesterday, just a few short months after the takeover. I would hope that the software side won't get affected as much as the hardware, but frankly who really knows.

    Moog software is a pure work of art. I already backup desktop ones, but with iOS, it is always trouble. If the main programming team is out, future development and update support is uncertain, and there is a 90% chance it will be nonexistent.

    I hope something positive will happen.

  • Even if the boss of inMusic is as horrible as some say he is, he employs skilled talent to make gear and whoever that talent is, they care about their work. Akai stuff is a lot better now than it was for the 1st few years after the takeover so hopefully theyā€™ve learnt from their mistakes and will keep the R&D well funded.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @Gavinski said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Ah... Hard to say? I doubt they want to completely destroy the image of the brand, that would just be remarkably stupid. Even though a lot of damage has been done by the contrast between the letter posted at the start of this thread and the actions announced yesterday, just a few short months after the takeover. I would hope that the software side won't get affected as much as the hardware, but frankly who really knows.

    Moog software is a pure work of art. I already backup desktop ones, but with iOS, it is always trouble. If the main programming team is out, future development and update support is uncertain, and there is a 90% chance it will be nonexistent.

    I hope something positive will happen.

    They have acquired other software companies usually in part to integrate these technologies into the MPC range.

  • @wim said:
    Ugh. Iā€™m out. I feel like a turd for saying anything to trigger a political debate. It was meant as a social / cultural commentary for context. Only.

    Screw this. Sorry for the derail.

    šŸ¤¬

    I interjected my post as context too, as to the real use of a government (and corporate by proxy) fiscal budget, when we return to the topic in question it really pales in comparison to much larger ethical questions. Forests and trees.

  • @wim said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Why all the drama? They laid off some people working on building hardware in the US to move production to China. That has nothing to do with software. Those apps are great marketing and virtually all the cost has already been put into them. Keeping them running is well worth the small cost to do so. Letting them die would hurt the brand.

    I don't believe this has any impact at all on the future of those apps. The only thing that would impact your use of them is if they decided the whopping $99 a year developer account fee was more than they could handle and they disappeared from the App Store. That simply isn't going to happen. Even then you'd only be affected if you got a new device and didn't have a backup of the app. OK, there's a remote chance an iOS update could break an app and they wouldn't fix it. Highly unlikely.

    As for hardware, it's not like all the Moog synths in the world magically cease to function if the company disappears (which also isn't going to happen).

    I donā€™t see any drama. It is just a smart precaution and backup, or you think that actually nothing really happened. Donā€™t worry, my intention is not to start another abandonware or drama queen thread; you know me already that much.

    Iā€™m just in a lucky position to simply backup or sample out my humble collection of instruments and patches. Not, for example, like Eric Johnson, who needs a personal electronic engineer to keep some historical versions of his guitar amp crucial for his signature sound. ;)

  • @dendy said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least!

    Lol, I literally made whole patch bank for Obsiduan build just using sampled materials from Model D SW and Behringer Model D HWšŸ¤£

    https://dendy.gumroad.com/l/pggmb?layout=profile

    I just listened to the demo. Itā€™s a great and inspiring patch bank. šŸ¤© I would buy this without hesitation, but I donā€™t use NS2 at all. I bought it just to support the developer after I read his last posts about how unexpectedly sales went.

  • 1) Iā€™m surprised Moog lasted this long with - imo - completely out of touch practices for this day and age.
    2) No one will announce firings ever in this type of situations. Today itā€™s the production line, tomorrow may be the software development team or another department.
    These acquisitions take place in order to turn something unsustainable into something else. Time will tell what is it going to look like, but atm the bad guy behind Moog is the only thing that keeps the brand alive. There are no magic solutions only difficult choices.

  • On the bright side, there is no longer any reason to feel guilty about buying Behringer's Moog knockoffs!

  • @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    On the bright side, there is no longer any reason to feel guilty about buying Behringer's Moog knockoffs!

    LOL. I suppose so. They may end up using the exact same suppliers.

  • @Luxthor said:

    @wim said:

    @Luxthor said:
    Should we start sampling all Moog instruments? Our patches, at least! I still didn't use extensively anything on Moog, but I invested too much money, and after all this crap happened, I started to be concerned.

    This will certainly have a negative effect on my future use of those apps. šŸ˜³

    Why all the drama? They laid off some people working on building hardware in the US to move production to China. That has nothing to do with software. Those apps are great marketing and virtually all the cost has already been put into them. Keeping them running is well worth the small cost to do so. Letting them die would hurt the brand.

    I don't believe this has any impact at all on the future of those apps. The only thing that would impact your use of them is if they decided the whopping $99 a year developer account fee was more than they could handle and they disappeared from the App Store. That simply isn't going to happen. Even then you'd only be affected if you got a new device and didn't have a backup of the app. OK, there's a remote chance an iOS update could break an app and they wouldn't fix it. Highly unlikely.

    As for hardware, it's not like all the Moog synths in the world magically cease to function if the company disappears (which also isn't going to happen).

    I donā€™t see any drama. It is just a smart precaution and backup, or you think that actually nothing really happened. Donā€™t worry, my intention is not to start another abandonware or drama queen thread; you know me already that much.

    Iā€™m just in a lucky position to simply backup or sample out my humble collection of instruments and patches. Not, for example, like Eric Johnson, who needs a personal electronic engineer to keep some historical versions of his guitar amp crucial for his signature sound. ;)

    I want to say that I didn't mean to imply you were trying to be a drama queen, only that I believe there's way less actual reason for alarm than you expressed. I should have kept the drama out of my own post! šŸ˜‚

    Still, I really don't think there's much to worry about from a software standpoint. No way I would put the chance of them breaking and not being fixed anywhere near 90% chance that they will be nonexistent. I'd put it more like 1%.

    That said, one can never have too many backups!

    Sorry for ironically being the one stirring up drama. Pretty odd now that I look back at my post. šŸ™„šŸ¤Ø

  • @NeuM said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    On the bright side, there is no longer any reason to feel guilty about buying Behringer's Moog knockoffs!

    LOL. I suppose so. They may end up using the exact same suppliers.

    Doesnā€™t Music Tribe already make a lot of the circuits that other companies use or am I misremembering?

  • edited September 2023

    Workers rights in the US are an absolute joke. They even get a majority of our dumb ass citizens to vote against their own rights by attacking their fragile masculinity basically

  • @wim said:

    Still, I really don't think there's much to worry about from a software standpoint. No way I would put the chance of them breaking and not being fixed anywhere near 90% chance that they will be nonexistent. I'd put it more like 1%.

    ā€œComing soon to an MPC near youā€

  • @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    On the bright side, there is no longer any reason to feel guilty about buying Behringer's Moog knockoffs!

    LOL. I suppose so. They may end up using the exact same suppliers.

    Doesnā€™t Music Tribe already make a lot of the circuits that other companies use or am I misremembering?

    They own coolaudio, which basically makes all those audio chips, vco chips, etcā€¦
    Honestly buying that company up was uliā€™s smartest move business wise

  • @Fingolfinzz said:
    Workers rights in the US are an absolute joke. They even get a majority of our dumb ass citizens to vote against their own rights by attacking their fragile masculinity basically

    Employment is voluntary in the US and no one is or should be guaranteed a job. The details of the agreements reached between employer and employee are private and come as a result of negotiation between the parties. Mandatory employment is a recipe for economic ruin.

  • @HotStrange said:

    @NeuM said:

    @Wrlds2ndBstGeoshredr said:
    On the bright side, there is no longer any reason to feel guilty about buying Behringer's Moog knockoffs!

    LOL. I suppose so. They may end up using the exact same suppliers.

    Doesnā€™t Music Tribe already make a lot of the circuits that other companies use or am I misremembering?

    That's possible. With so many specialty suppliers there (imagine businesses built around the manufacture of a specific grommet or screw, for example) they usually all end up going to the same factories for industry-specific engineered parts.

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