“Older” synths vs their newer counterparts

Fear2Stop

One of the things i find rather confusing is seeing older synths that are still the same price as their “replacements”, like Sunrizer being the same price as Zeeon, or Kauldron and Magellan 2 being the same price as Trooper. What would be the advantages of the older models? Not referring to ones that are quite different from each release (like Icegear’s stuff).

Thoughts?

Samu

Trooper is a relatively simple synth when compared to Magellan 2 or Kauldron.

Appstore prices have changed. My guess is that if Trooper was released at the same time with Magellan 2 and Kauldron it would likely have been even priced a bit lower... (The other two have seen price-drops over time).

Sunrizer is an old classic with it's own sound while Zeeon is a completely different synth with it's own sound.

In the end it's all about the 'sound' and 'features' of each app like it is with hardware synths.

Fear2Stop

@Samu said:
Trooper is a relatively simple synth when compared to Magellan 2 or Kauldron.

Appstore prices have changed. My guess is that if Trooper was released at the same time with Magellan 2 and Kauldron it would likely have been even priced a bit lower... (The other two have seen price-drops over time).

Sunrizer is an old classic with it's own sound while Zeeon is a completely different synth with it's own sound.

In the end it's all about the 'sound' and 'features' of each app like it is with hardware synths.

Gotcha. I actually was under the impression that Trooper was basically a less cluttered version of Magellan 2 but otherwise the same , based on Jakob Haq’s interview with the developer. I see I’m mistaken , although not sure how well the scrolling on M2 would go on my phone (course i said the same thing with IVCS3 and that turned out awesome)

I love how Synrizer sounds but I had a negative experience with Zeeon and the fact that Sunrizer is much older concerns me. I read that the issue with Zeeon has been rectified (I ended up getting a refund but may eventually repurchase) but I’m afraid of getting Sunrizer , possibly having an issue, and then not getting rectified due to age. Some of the App Store reviews mentioned some issues that I’m not sure if they got fixed (one did for sure but the GarageBand issue im not so sure of as that one wasn’t mentioned in the update), but it at least got a recent update. Kauldron looks like it hasn’t been updated in a few years and that concerns me due to the issues mentioned in the reviews .

db909

@Fear2Stop said:

@Samu said:
Trooper is a relatively simple synth when compared to Magellan 2 or Kauldron.

Appstore prices have changed. My guess is that if Trooper was released at the same time with Magellan 2 and Kauldron it would likely have been even priced a bit lower... (The other two have seen price-drops over time).

Sunrizer is an old classic with it's own sound while Zeeon is a completely different synth with it's own sound.

In the end it's all about the 'sound' and 'features' of each app like it is with hardware synths.

Gotcha. I actually was under the impression that Trooper was basically a less cluttered version of Magellan 2 but otherwise the same , based on Jakob Haq’s interview with the developer. I see I’m mistaken , although not sure how well the scrolling on M2 would go on my phone (course i said the same thing with IVCS3 and that turned out awesome)

I love how Synrizer sounds but I had a negative experience with Zeeon and the fact that Sunrizer is much older concerns me. I read that the issue with Zeeon has been rectified (I ended up getting a refund but may eventually repurchase) but I’m afraid of getting Sunrizer , possibly having an issue, and then not getting rectified due to age. Some of the App Store reviews mentioned some issues that I’m not sure if they got fixed (one did for sure but the GarageBand issue im not so sure of as that one wasn’t mentioned in the update), but it at least got a recent update. Kauldron looks like it hasn’t been updated in a few years and that concerns me due to the issues mentioned in the reviews .

I wouldn’t worry about Sunrizer, it’s from the Drambo developer so while it may not get new features, I’m sure it’s being maintained at least.

espiegel123

I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

Fear2Stop

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

tja

@Fear2Stop said:

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

Now, for Sunrizer, I really don't get your thoughts.
The last update was 3 months ago!

And I would expect that bugs in Kauldron or Magellan 2 would be fixed too, if they arise.

Fear2Stop

@tja said:

@Fear2Stop said:

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

Now, for Sunrizer, I really don't get your thoughts.
The last update was 3 months ago!

And I would expect that bugs in Kauldron or Magellan 2 would be fixed too, if they arise.

Last update was 3 months ago, but the issue I’m referring to was last month…what if it takes a year to fix like the key change thing? Especially since it’s with GarageBand ; we GB users are basically second class citizens it feels like .

tja

@Fear2Stop said:

@tja said:

@Fear2Stop said:

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

Now, for Sunrizer, I really don't get your thoughts.
The last update was 3 months ago!

And I would expect that bugs in Kauldron or Magellan 2 would be fixed too, if they arise.

Last update was 3 months ago, but the issue I’m referring to was last month…what if it takes a year to fix like the key change thing? Especially since it’s with GarageBand ; we GB users are basically second class citizens it feels like .

Just contact the developer...
No more fixes can happen with old an new Apps alike.

espiegel123

@Fear2Stop said:

@tja said:

@Fear2Stop said:

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

Now, for Sunrizer, I really don't get your thoughts.
The last update was 3 months ago!

And I would expect that bugs in Kauldron or Magellan 2 would be fixed too, if they arise.

Last update was 3 months ago, but the issue I’m referring to was last month…what if it takes a year to fix like the key change thing? Especially since it’s with GarageBand ; we GB users are basically second class citizens it feels like .

Part of the thing is that while GarageBand is a popular app , it seems to be less popular as a host among heavy AUv3 users than some other hosts AND it seems to deviate from other hosts in how it handles things.

So, it may get less attention as a testing platform than some others.

Fear2Stop

@espiegel123 said:

@Fear2Stop said:

@tja said:

@Fear2Stop said:

@espiegel123 said:
I wouldn’t think of Sunrizer as a version of Zeeon (one of the most-loved and versatile virtual analog synths) or vice versa.

Lack of updates to a mature synth does not make it necessarily outdated. The return on investment for iOS synths is low enough that it often doesn’t make sense for a developer to keep updating a synth that does what it was intended to do. There are some long-unchanged synths that are still top tier.

True…for me it’s more the fear of bugs that never get fixed due to the developer moving on to something else. The fact there’s a GarageBand specific issue that’s after the last update (which solved a problem that apparently took a year to fix if the reviews are to be believed*) is a major concern for me. I’d really rather not go through the whole refund process again. And since iPad users are the main focus and people like me who use iPhones seem to be an afterthought (especially GarageBand users), sometimes getting anything feels quite risky.

*I know, grain of salt and all that, which is why I added that qualifier

Now, for Sunrizer, I really don't get your thoughts.
The last update was 3 months ago!

And I would expect that bugs in Kauldron or Magellan 2 would be fixed too, if they arise.

Last update was 3 months ago, but the issue I’m referring to was last month…what if it takes a year to fix like the key change thing? Especially since it’s with GarageBand ; we GB users are basically second class citizens it feels like .

Part of the thing is that while GarageBand is a popular app , it seems to be less popular as a host among heavy AUv3 users than some other hosts AND it seems to deviate from other hosts in how it handles things.

So, it may get less attention as a testing platform than some others.

True…I also gotta remember a lot of GB users are happy or at least satisfied with the built in instruments. I’m more interested in making my own sounds vs presets , and the built in stuff sounds too “clean” for me. Only thing I really use it for besides as a DAW is the bass guitar (as a touch instrument paired with Tonebridge) and the drum kits (both electronic and acoustic) . Otherwise every instrument I use is third party. I realize I’m a rarity in that regard. I’m probably eventually going to get Cubasis but , again, I have a (probably irrational) fear of spending all that money and finding out it won’t work well on my phone .