Audiobus: Use your music apps together.

What is Audiobus?Audiobus is an award-winning music app for iPhone and iPad which lets you use your other music apps together. Chain effects on your favourite synth, run the output of apps or Audio Units into an app like GarageBand or Loopy, or select a different audio interface output for each app. Route MIDI between apps — drive a synth from a MIDI sequencer, or add an arpeggiator to your MIDI keyboard — or sync with your external MIDI gear. And control your entire setup from a MIDI controller.

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Ableton Live FTW, finally sick of the iPad for music

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  • edited November 2022

    Over the years I have purchased pretty much every music app released for iOS in the hope that it would all come together, one day.

    I give it a good crack every few years and then quickly abandon it again in frustration.

    I've pretty much given up on iOS and continue to just work with MacOS for music production instead, due to the sampling constraints in iOS and the archaic file system.

    All I use iOS for now is:

    1. Occasional BM3 use (when I've done all the sampling work already on MacOS and sent the files over to the iPad).
    2. Sampling an iOS synth if I don't have the desktop version (ID700 I'm talking about you! Love that synth!).

    However, one music related thing that I use a lot is Sidecar... using the iPad as a second screen for my DAW, sending a synth to it and editing the parameters with the Apple Pencil. That is pretty awesome, but not really iOS.

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    @BirbHope said:
    I pretty much came to the same realization as OP.
    My last shot is trying to see if I can bond with Zenbeats.
    Strikes me as a potentially decent bridge between desktop and iPad since it runs on both.
    Not sure yet.
    There is still some fiddling to do on the desktop side.
    It just depends on how much I like writing and arranging on the iPad, anywhere I like, vs the pain of changing out some of the instruments on the desktop side (if I happen to use instruments I don’t want to freeze/record - like if I am still working out the MIDI parts - using apps that I don’t have on my desktop).
    Over time, during good sales, I may purchase a few of the desktop versions of the some of the apps I like like Omega, Sugar Bytes, OPL etc..
    Getting used to Zenbeat’s sampler and some of the workflow limitations will be pretty important if I will be able to make it a home. If Bleass eventually makes Samplewizz for desktop I’d be

    Same here (Zenbeats)

  • I’ve been using my same old bunch of apps with Drambo as a sequencer/synth, hosted in AB3 with Samplr and Turnado as cherry on top.

    Every time I sit behind this rig magic happens.

  • @mistercharlie said:
    @jwmmakerofmusic Thanks! I’m not going anywhere.

    Phew!

    This forum stopped being about just iPad music apps a long time ago.

    This is true, and I like that the forum evolved in such a way to include Desktop and Hardware sections. :)

    And for what it’s worth, I still love the iPad for instruments and FX. It just lets me down almost every time I try to combine them. And until the Mac gets a touch screen, I will be using the iPad for Koala!

    Hey, nothing wrong with that! :) Koala is a top app that can do so many great things! I started my "Summer of Ambient 2022" production journey using Koala exclusively before I eventually learned how to use AUM. I even used it to split off vocals for EDM remixing purposes.

    It would be nice to have a fully fledged DAW on iOS like Logic Pro, but in my case, I consider my iPad as the DAW. It's just a DAW comprised of many various different apps put together. Kind of a modular workflow as it were.

  • Thanks folks for the YouTube tutorial links.

  • I'm on an iPad hiatus and focusing on the MPC.

    I have lots of Me, Myself, & Irene moments telling myself to PUT DOWN the temptation to integrate my tools together and just get to making music.

    It helps for me to put a stopwatch on how long it takes for me to get past the setup and just start playing.

  • @supadom said:
    I’ve been using my same old bunch of apps with Drambo as a sequencer/synth, hosted in AB3 with Samplr and Turnado as cherry on top.

    Every time I sit behind this rig magic happens.

    I think this is probably key. You use a consistent setup that you have developed the muscle memory and workflow for.

    For me, Drambo too is my favourite way of using iOS. I tend to lean more on Koala FX than Turnado these days as having the scenes (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H) mapped to a controller is a bit more fluid.

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  • @JMmusic said:

    @JMmusic said:

    @rs2000 said:

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    @rs2000 said:
    @monz0id, @R2, @KirbyMumbo, @JMmusic
    The role of iOS music apps in my workflows hasn't changed since years. Like many years ago, drawing a somewhat distinct line what to do on the iDevice and what to do on the Desktop is still such an important aspect, potentially avoiding a lot of frustration.
    Using each for what they're best for helps with keeping it fun.

    Yes, starting to think DAW activities are better done off of iDevices. I have a PC laptop…best way to use it with an iDevice for music (and use the PC for DAW)?

    You have to find your own perfect workflow but what works for me is composing and being playful on the iDevice, then switch to desktop when I need better sounds and better and easier audio file handling.
    Some people produce on iPad from A to Z and they've found everything they need there so I would never claim that my way of doing it is good for everyone.

    True.
    I tried some free stuff on an older laptop I have, and the sounds are so much better to me than iOS. I have to say, I'm out for making music on iDevices. I might just keep something on my iphone for sketching ideas when I'm out and about. But for creating finished music, I will switch to PC.

    Might be short lived. I fired up Waveform on an older i3 laptop and started peaking the cpu with 2 tracks - 1 send track with TB reverb legacy version, and 1 with Waveform stock synth. I had one oscillator going and was fine but turned up the unison voices and maxed the cpu.
    Soooo…back to iPhone with AUM/Xeq2/Synthmaster One :D

    There are enough great synths on iOS, no question. With better sounds on desktop, I rather had sample libraries in mind, and there's still quite a difference today (stems, drums, guitars, bass, weird experimental stuff) but who knows how the two worlds will compare in ten years - we already have good pianos, Samplemodeling, soon Pianoteq and more...

  • I have realized that the only two iPad apps that I make music with consistently, almost every time I launch them, are Koala and Thumbjam. Oddly, I have never used them together, which will change this weekend :)

    I also love the iPad for FX. So many great AUs. I miss these the most when on the desktop.

  • I’m with @dendy, I’m sitting in front of a laptop all day coding. I just can’t have the same tool and physical posture for my leisure time.
    The iOS music ecosystem is absolutely great and this forum is the best. Indie devs that do the craziest, most amazing apps. I feel thrilled to be a part of it.
    But ipad music making today is not going to get you all the way if you’re aiming at some “pro” goal. Daws are frustrating and lacking, that’s the reality. There’s no transient editing, audio editing is very limited, you have to thorough hoops to get things to work together, automation is hardly usable and frustrating…. Yes, in every daw (Auria was the closest, go figure).
    So you’d need a laptop for the final stages of arranging and mixing, which I guess is an ok compromise. BUT that’s a huge letdown for the Audiobus folks!!. Herecy!. So I just finish it all on the iPad, make sure I include “ipad” and “Zenbeats” or “Loopy” on the YouTube tracks title. Then I can proudly say “it’s half baked and there’s shit out of sync but I did it 100% on the ipad”. And I retain the respect of my 18 viewers 🤟🤟🤟👍👍
    I’m serious here, that’s how dumb I am! 🙃

  • edited November 2022

    It’s all true what was said in this thread about what is great about iPad music making and where it falls short. Yes, there is no professional DAW. And yes, there is no better way to spark your creativity than to take the iPad in your hands and start jamming. So after two years being iPad only, I bought a MacBook, Bitwig and of course some plugins. I still love the iPad for jamming on the go. I love sampling with Koala, sketching something out with Gadget or Drambo, discovering chord progressions by touch with Scaler 2, the creative sequencers on my iPad. I still prefer sound designing with synths on my iPad, too.

    But I must say that Bitwig is the better Drambo, the best musical playground for me. Bitwig is also a far better DAW than Cubasis or Auria although maybe not being the best desktop DAW from a classic DAW perspective. Bitwig made me completely switch from automation to modulation. Transferring stems from iPad to Bitwig is not a solution for me - to static. It would be my dream if Drambo could export to Bitwig.

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    @krassmann haha, I am right there. Bitwig clicks somehow. Live trial isnt clicking at all. (But my final decision is not made yet. I need to study more and watch more videos of the workflows of both and see which one suits me more)
    However the files management is a dream on the desktop world. makes things so much more fun. sampling, resampling, messing around and and and....

    I have a question to the fellas here is in this thread: how do you get sound into your Desktop DAW?
    Right now my idea is to get the Audio4c to push sound from iPad into Bitwig for instance. But I also heard people not being satisfied with the Audio4C (quality wise). from the specs it sounds like the best option for the iOS musician.

  • Recording stems on the iPad and transferring them to PC via Dropbox is the easiest solution for me.

    Unless I'm using the iPad and desktop together, then I just record directly to desktop. I have an old iConnectAudio and that works well enough for me.

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    @david_2017 said:
    @krassmann haha, I am right there. Bitwig clicks somehow. Live trial isnt clicking at all. (But my final decision is not made yet. I need to study more and watch more videos of the workflows of both and see which one suits me more)

    Workflow wise I find both DAWs very similar. In both DAWs you have device chains, a session view and a timeline view. I think Live has some stock devices that you don't have in Bitwig but it's catching up. Live has got a much bigger community but at least you can open Live projects with Bitwig. I can tell you that this works very well with Ableton Live exports from iPad apps. I'm doing this with Korg Gadget 2 and Koala. Since I bought the Gadget plugins for Mac, an exported abl file imported into Bitwig sounds exactly the same as in Gadget on my iPad. The modulation capabilities of Bitwig, the grids and note operators really make the difference for me why I chose Bitwig. If you constantly extend the upgrade plan, for sure Bitwig is the more expensive choice.

    One more Bitwig tipp: download the "Driven by Moss" extension that adds support for a huge number of popular controllers. It turns a Novation Launchpad into an almost almighty DAW controller.

    However the files management is a dream on the desktop world. makes things so much more fun. sampling, resampling, messing around and and and....

    >

    I have a question to the fellas here is in this thread: how do you get sound into your Desktop DAW?
    Right now my idea is to get the Audio4c to push sound from iPad into Bitwig for instance. But I also heard people not being satisfied with the Audio4C (quality wise). from the specs it sounds like the best option for the iOS musician.

    I bought a used iConnectAudio 2+ and it works flawlessly. IMHO the best option to integrate desktop and iPad. But I must say that I don't do that so often. Sometimes I use iPad synths like external hardware synths. I also use creative sequencers like Senode and record their output into Bitwig.

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    @tahiche said:

    So you’d need a laptop for the final stages of arranging and mixing, which I guess is an ok compromise. BUT that’s a huge letdown for the Audiobus folks!!. Herecy!. So I just finish it all on the iPad, make sure I include “ipad” and “Zenbeats” or “Loopy” on the YouTube tracks title. Then I can proudly say “it’s half baked and there’s shit out of sync but I did it 100% on the ipad”.

    i disagree with this... it's about creativity, knowledge and will to search for workarounds how to get there .. what you can do now with just ipad is something people who produced great music 20 years ago with computers and limite sw just dreamed .. if you know how,you can do just on iPad gread music im top quality ..

    Many ppl here at this forum end just with complaining "this app is lacking that", waiting for "ideal app" for starting making some real music. They will wait forever and just find new and new problems for every solution.. i found it a bit spoiled approach.. people are not gratefull for incredible posibilities we have..

    Is there need of doing some worarounds here and there ? Yes definitely. Something musicians were doing all he time for ages. It's always free choice - complaining why something is not possible or just finding wayow to do it.

    example.. i did this whole album in NS2 .. i don't feel i would do anything better on desktop in big daw, if there are some weak oarts (they definiely are lol) they are because of me, my crestive and knowledge limits, not because of limited sw .. i'm totally satisfied with it, it's best i can do regardless of used SW/HW.. https://raysubject.bandcamp.com/album/complexity-of-simplicity

  • edited November 2022

    I agree with @dendy the constant longing for perfection or dreaming of the perfect DAW on the iPad isn't a solution. The great thing about the iPad is that it isn't desktop and it isn't hardware either. Each has its place and all three have their merits and annoyances. I go back and forth a lot between all of them but the most of the time, the most fun I have is on the iPad.

  • @auxmux said:
    I agree with @dendy the constant longing for perfection or dreaming of the perfect DAW on the iPad isn't a solution. The great thing about the iPad is that it isn't desktop and it isn't hardware either. Each has its place and all three have their merits and annoyances. I go back and forth a lot between all of them but the most of the time, the most fun I have is on the iPad.

    Pretty much THIS !

  • I also agree. The desktop DAW doesn’t work on the iPad. Equally, Drambo isn’t great without touch, and without all those amazing iOS AUs.

  • I tried and tried to make the iPad my music creation machine but there were too many frustrations for me. I decided on a laptop and I am using Logic and I like it a lot. Logic remote on iPad is working well for me, I like using the x-y pad with Logic effects.

    I use my iPad mainly for SpaceCraft, which is perfect with a touch screen, and for Streetlytron Pro, which I really wish was also a desktop plugin. So I'm turning my favorite Streetlytron banks into Logic Sampler patches.

    Also, I have an iPad Air 3 which sucks in many ways, but it has a headphone output and it's easy to run the iPad apps through guitar pedals. I like to send the VB3m organ out to a Neo Vent leslie pedal. And I like to use TouchOSC to control other guitar pedals like the Red Panda Raster.

    For me my iPad is a useful tool but not the centerpiece I hoped it would be.

  • edited November 2022

    @auxmux said:
    I agree with @dendy the constant longing for perfection or dreaming of the perfect DAW on the iPad isn't a solution. The great thing about the iPad is that it isn't desktop and it isn't hardware either. Each has its place and all three have their merits and annoyances. I go back and forth a lot between all of them but the most of the time, the most fun I have is on the iPad.

    I agree with you guys, even though it means I’m disagreeing with myself!. The sarcastic bits were probably not clear.
    You can finish a perfectly good mix on an iPad. I actually think some of my 100% iPad songs actually sound better than if I’d done them on a desktop daw, on desktop I tend to use too many effects, too much eq, too much compression… weirdly on the iPad I don’t have the compulsion to add eq and compression on every track, I get a more “natural” sound.
    But if you need intricate mixing, bussing, correcting timing, phasing, tuning or fine/complex automation you’re out of luck with the iPad. We’re not there yet. This is where you’d go for the desktop, the “go back and forth” you mention. And this is where I have the probably silly self-imposed limitation of not using the desktop. As for comparing it to computers 20 years ago… obviously, but I’m comparing it to desktop daws from today. The fact is is I finish songs on the iPads because I want to, I embrace it’s limitations and like the “imperfect” and less processed result. Same reason I hardly ever quantize midi. And I see (probably stupidly) a sort of “authenticity badge” in doing so, akin to dawless people or those that record to tape.

  • edited November 2022

    @tahiche
    on desktop I tend to use too many effects, too much eq, too much compression… weirdly on the iPad I don’t have the compulsion to add eq and compression on every track, I get a more “natural” sound

    actually exact opposite for me - i do this in NS2 more than i did i in any desktop daw :-)) when i open some of my projects it's like tons of groups subgroups and subsubgroups, parallel chains sends, tons of layering - routing madness :-))) and plethora of fxs on most of them ... made never such complexity on desktop daw.. it's like it's simole to made thungs complex there (hence name of my album lol)

  • I get this - always seem to be waiting for that one missing feature with iOS.

    But my MacBook Pro is for work and triggers an instant stress response as soon as I open it, so iPad/iPhone it is!

    Professional producers, mixing and mastering engineers obviously aren’t gonna do it on iPad yet, but maybe one day it’ll happen.

  • If the MacBooks had touch screens for using Drambo etc, they would be perfect

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    @mistercharlie said:
    If the MacBooks had touch screens for using Drambo etc, they would be perfect

    So, I finally got Logic recently. After using Logic Remote, it's s pretty much having Drambo's step sequencer. Makes me realize how overly complicated but unusable Touchable Pro was for Ableton.

    If you want Drambo for Ableton, just use Bluetooth midi. LK and Ableton also works well.

  • @auxmux said:

    @mistercharlie said:
    If the MacBooks had touch screens for using Drambo etc, they would be perfect

    So, I finally got Logic recently. After using Logic Remote, it's s pretty much having Drambo's step sequencer. Makes me realize how overly complicated but unusable Touchable Pro was for Ableton.

    If you want Drambo for Ableton, just use Bluetooth midi. LK and Ableton also works well.

    Weirdly in my setup BT midi is far less latency than IDAM. 😂

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  • Option 10 - Too much money spent on all the above. This is closer to reality lol.

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