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@knewspeak : what you call "conflicting truths" are beliefs about what is true. People claiming something is true doesn't make it "a truth" even if they claim otherwise.
OK, this is getting surreal to the point that I've lost interest. I shoulda walked away several posts ago. See ya.✌🏼
Not at all. It may sometimes be difficult to ascertain what is true and what isn't -- that doesn't change the meaning of truth. It is the nature of life that we sometimes (often) don't really know what it true -- the onus is on us to do the best we can to honestly try to figure it out as best we can. And to try to develop a sense of how unknowable our beliefs/assumptions are about what we think is true.
Yeah. Life is hard.
Let's not make it harder by deciding that the truth is whatever someone wants to believe it is. Things get unmanageable if people just decide that whatever they happen to believe is as likely to be true as any other possibility. When that happens society can't function. Sadly, we're seeing a lot more of it (with devastating impact) than I can recall at any other period of my life.
Visa just suspended all operations in Russia.
Western firms are exiting in droves, even if they are not required to because of sanctions. The Russian economy is likely to collapse.
I never said it did make it true, only when viewed from a limited perspective, therefore you should take in as much evidence as reasonably possible, evaluate it, to find a highly probable truth, with the possibility that you can re-evaluate the evidence. It’s how most trials are conducted, to arrive at a reasonable resolution.
Mastercard now out too.
What you are calling truth is belief.
The economic sanctions are likely to cause more harm than good when used on the mass population.
Humanitarian disaster unfolding in Mariupol, where the Russians lied about maintaining a ceasefire to evacuate civilians:
I agree with you mostly, but sometimes, that someone, who is in effect us, may actually have a better understanding of the truth. To determine if this is correct we have to allow them a voice, first. Otherwise what system would we be operating under.
Ah - you read WSWS too!
I read Breitbart to get my daily fix of right wing nutters and then WSWS to get my left wing fix. One needs a balanced diet :-)
Do you think Russians will take their children into basements and subway stations to protect them from a deflated Ruble?
Putin wants the Ukrainians to give up their leader. Not going to happen.
I'm sure the Ukrainians would support the de-Putinization of Russia.
We understand that Sanctions have consequences for people that are not a part of the problem but they are the best option to attempt influence short of joining in the military action. Military action tends to escalate situations and financial forces tend to stagnate a situation.
Putin will like escalate and potentially resort to more destructive weapons (and he has some
truly awful choices in his arsenal) and more irresponsible (and generally illegal) strategies to inflict harm on civilians.
I've looked at Ukraine for a lot of perspectives and the truth is: I want to see this end with less death and destruction and I'm open to any ideas except unconditional surrender.
It is not wise to negotiate with terrorists and teach them to do it again and again.
Its time for the world to teach Putin that he cannot decide who he rules... they must elect him to do so.
There will need to be reparations extracted in the final phase of this conflict.
There are may ways to kill and cause misery, take a look at Afghanistan at the present.
What about it? Is it relevant here? Or a convenient distraction?
Religious fanatics are yet another form of geo-political craziness. Governing through fear is the one commonality. And I'll accept that there are many perspectives on the concept of "religion" and accept the idea of "belief systems" as a source of difficulty unraveling the madness of humanity.
Putting pressure on the mass population and making them unhappy creates a climate where the leader can be removed. A well tested CIA tactic.
Or bring one to power ‘Treaty of Versailles’.
Not sure what you mean by that. Versailles enabled Hitler 20 years later..?
In part, yes.
I'm more concerned about the Ukraine mass population who are being bombed by Russia. Not so worried about Russians inconvenienced by economic sanctions.
Trump famously said his net worth varied from day to day… depending on how he feels. It seems a lot of people might agree with him these days.
I'm not sure I follow. "This guy says the earth is flat - but he's not an idiot, he just has a pre-Eratosthenes version of the truth" doesn't make much sense to me
but perhaps that's not what you are saying.
No that’s not what I’m saying. Truths, beliefs, perceptions, assumptions, like the very universe we are part of are in a constant state of flux, these have and still do, change.
Look, we can argue dorm-room philosophy all night. The question is: WHY are you trying to interject the notion that “truth” is fungible and dependent upon perspective in this particular situation?
It sounds like an enormous contortion to cast doubt on a very obvious truth: Russia has initiated an unprovoked and illegal invasion and has without question committed war crimes. What desperate nuance are you searching for?
The war crimes continue:
At least 4 high-ranking Russian officers killed in the first 10 days of the war:
Why have I cast doubt, I have constantly referred to the war instigated by Putin and his thugs, if you care to check, even trying to raise the issue several months ago here on the forum, which was all too obvious to see to those who cared to look.
Whomever said previously in the thread that this is the first war fought with armaments and mobile phone cameras is so spot on. I’m not naive to think cameras will carry the day in every battle but they are proving far more powerful than i previously could have imagined.
Yes, it’s gotta be the only way to have a holistic understanding of the situation. I’m in the UK right now and media bias isn’t as obvious as in my native Poland where main TV channels slam the opposition at every opportunity. I used to live in Italy for a while when Berlusconi was in power and it was similar there too.
It’s easy to dismiss RT as Russian and the BBC as western propaganda. The combo of both is what you need with massive filters on. I actually quite like Al Jazeera for my daily digest.
Yes, the war is being televised and viewed by our thrill hungry brain as some kind of weirdly morbid Netflix show. Each camera shot will be someone’s personal propaganda serving their personal beliefs. I’m really not sure if it makes for a more factually correct or more skewed information. The media is certainly having a ball.
There is a significant difference, in my opinion, between RT and the BBC. While the BBC may have a slant, it is not a full-on propraganda channel in the way that RT is. While one has to be aware of its bias, I think it is false equivalence to equate the BBC and RT as being equally at odds with reality.