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SOLVED: Is there a trick to getting the iRig Blueboard to run with Soft Drummer?

Pulling my hair out here!

If I don't connect to the Blueboard app in proprietary mode, the iPad does not see the pedal..when in proprietary mode Soft Drummer does not see the blueboard!

I have the blueboard set with the CC commands I want to use, and those matching CC's are set in Soft drummer, and the MIDI channel matches...

arrggghhh, what am I missing? I've tried it in BT Mode 1 and Mode 2, neither works as when it is out of proprietary mode, it cannot be seen as a valid BT device.

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  • Download Midimittr app. It will connect to your pedal midi. But i don’t know if it only works with Bluetooth.

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    Download Midimittr app. It will connect to your pedal midi. But i don’t know if it only works with Bluetooth.

    afaik, the iRig blueboard doesn't work correctly with it.

  • haha, and the final irony - the blueboard works in Camelot, but the Lumbeat apps don't :D

  • wimwim
    edited January 14

    Soft Drummer doesn't have a BLE Midi connect dialog. So, you need to use something else to establish the connection. Once you get a connection going Soft Drummer will see it as a midi device.

    Anything will do, AUM, Audiobus, Korg's free Bluetooth MIDI Connect app, or MidiMittr (yes, it does work) or any other app or DAW that has a BLE Midi connect dialog. Once connected I think you can shut down the app that made the connection if you don't need it.

    You will have to do this each time you need to connect to the Blueboard.

  • edited January 14

    @wim said:
    Soft Drummer doesn't have a BLE Midi connect dialog. So, you need to use something else to establish the connection. Once you get a connection going Soft Drummer will see it as a midi device.

    Anything will do, AUM, Audiobus, Korg's free Bluetooth MIDI Connect app, or MidiMittr (yes, it does work) or any other app or DAW that has a BLE Midi connect dialog. Once connected I think you can shut down the app that made the connection if you don't need it.

    You will have to do this each time you need to connect to the Blueboard.

    Thanks wim....I did already try it in midimttr, hence my comment...but thinking on it I might still have been in proprietary mode when I did. I'll give ti another try.
    I have not tried it yet, but I have a feeling the same (no connection) will apply to rock, afro, and jazz drummer apps too.

    EDIT: yes I didn't think it worked. Midimttr sees it as a device but will not connect to it.

  • @pax-eterna said:

    @wim said:
    Soft Drummer doesn't have a BLE Midi connect dialog. So, you need to use something else to establish the connection. Once you get a connection going Soft Drummer will see it as a midi device.

    Anything will do, AUM, Audiobus, Korg's free Bluetooth MIDI Connect app, or MidiMittr (yes, it does work) or any other app or DAW that has a BLE Midi connect dialog. Once connected I think you can shut down the app that made the connection if you don't need it.

    You will have to do this each time you need to connect to the Blueboard.

    Thanks wim....I did already try it in midimttr, hence my comment...but thinking on it I might still have been in proprietary mode when I did. I'll give ti another try.
    I have not tried it yet, but I have a feeling the same (no connection) will apply to rock, afro, and jazz drummer apps too.

    EDIT: yes I didn't think it worked. Midimttr sees it as a device but will not connect to it.

    Have you tried the other options, like AUM or Audiobus? Remember, it's not about actually using those apps in your playing. It's just about accessing the BLE connection dialog, which Soft Drummer doesn't happen to implement.

  • figured it, thanks all - seems it DOES work with Lumbeat apps (not Afro Drummer though - no CC mode available) in IK Proprietary mode.
    I thought it had to be in CC mode (or Mode 2 according to the manual). In the prop mode Lumbeat app saw the device and allowed the changes to be made.

    Afro Drummer is setup with no options for CC commands. It is still just notes, so I will need to contact the developer to ask about that...not that I'll get any response :)

  • You could use a StreamByter script to convert CCs into notes, provided Afro Drummer either provides a Virtual MIDI port, or can connect to a port. You can use Audiobus or AUM to host StreamByter, or use MidiFire, which has StreamByter built-in.

    It's just a matter of knowing which CC you want to convert to which note, knowing whether the buttons send CC on press and release or only one, and deciding how to handle Note Off messages.

  • edited January 14

    hmmm, thanks UD I'll have a look at that. Afro is important for those small cafe style gigs for a bit of light percussion sitting under the keys :)

    I guess I could also save two IK Blueboard setups, one that uses the CC's and the other that uses PC commands - then quickly open the app to change the Blueboard preset. Bit of a pain, but workable in a pinch.

    Then again, (and I'll need to check on this) I could setup a MIDI command send from the iPad chart app to change the Blueboard preset...I'll report back if I find something. EDIT: Nope won't work as the mode (PC or CC) is a Blueboard system setting-not saveable with the preset.

    Ok back to having a look at Streambyter.

  • @pax-eterna said:
    figured it, thanks all - seems it DOES work with Lumbeat apps (not Afro Drummer though - no CC mode available) in IK Proprietary mode.
    I thought it had to be in CC mode (or Mode 2 according to the manual). In the prop mode Lumbeat app saw the device and allowed the changes to be made.

    Afro Drummer is setup with no options for CC commands. It is still just notes, so I will need to contact the developer to ask about that...not that I'll get any response :)

    The Blueboard has a notes mode -- and it works with midimttr. If you need notes, why not use them for all the LUMBeats apps instead of CCs for some and notes for others? You wouldn't need any scripts

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    figured it, thanks all - seems it DOES work with Lumbeat apps (not Afro Drummer though - no CC mode available) in IK Proprietary mode.
    I thought it had to be in CC mode (or Mode 2 according to the manual). In the prop mode Lumbeat app saw the device and allowed the changes to be made.

    Afro Drummer is setup with no options for CC commands. It is still just notes, so I will need to contact the developer to ask about that...not that I'll get any response :)

    The Blueboard has a notes mode -- and it works with midimttr. If you need notes, why not use them for all the LUMBeats apps instead of CCs for some and notes for others? You wouldn't need any scripts

    Because I use the whole keyboard (for bass and keys) using notes means all these things will get triggered when I play tunes.

  • @pax-eterna said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    figured it, thanks all - seems it DOES work with Lumbeat apps (not Afro Drummer though - no CC mode available) in IK Proprietary mode.
    I thought it had to be in CC mode (or Mode 2 according to the manual). In the prop mode Lumbeat app saw the device and allowed the changes to be made.

    Afro Drummer is setup with no options for CC commands. It is still just notes, so I will need to contact the developer to ask about that...not that I'll get any response :)

    The Blueboard has a notes mode -- and it works with midimttr. If you need notes, why not use them for all the LUMBeats apps instead of CCs for some and notes for others? You wouldn't need any scripts

    Because I use the whole keyboard (for bass and keys) using notes means all these things will get triggered when I play tunes.

    You can route things so that the blueboard notes only go to the LUMBeat app and not apps with notes.

  • edited January 14

    Seems the plan is not going to work anyway. As I will be using all three apps (Soft, Jazz and Rock) at the same gigs AND as they are all IAA (meaning they are all open in the background) when I have one set in AUM, when I press the play pedal all three apps start to play. Even if in AUM only one is setup. Even if I change then AUM preset as it is IAA they (the Lumbeat apps) stay open in the background.

    If they are not open in the background, AUM will not load the app, it shows the round app image in red and asks to reload AFTER opening it in the backgorund.

    These REALLY need to be modified to AUv3!!! in IAA it is only really suitable for the studio or for recording - not for live work!

    A good example of why AUV3 works so well, and why all the developers are migrating to it...Even Korg is now :)

  • @pax-eterna said:
    Seems the plan is not going to work anyway. As I will be using all three apps (Soft, Jazz and Rock) at the same gigs AND as they are all IAA (meaning they are all open in the background) when I have one set in AUM, when I press the play pedal all three apps start to play. Even if in AUM only one is setup. Even if I change then AUM preset as it is IAA they (the Lumbeat apps) stay open in the background.

    If they are not open in the background, AUM will not load the app, it shows the round app image in red and asks to reload AFTER opening it in the backgorund.

    These REALLY need to be modified to AUv3!!! in IAA it is only really suitable for the studio or for recording - not for live work!

    A good example of why AUV3 works so well, and why all the developers are migrating to it...Even Korg is now :)

    Load each in the background before loading into AUM (a general best practice with IAAs). Rather than have the LUMBeats apps listen directly to the blueboard, route the blueboard through AUM to the LUMBeats apps. There are a number of ways that you could set things up to control which of those apps gets the MIDI.

  • wimwim
    edited January 14

    @espiegel123 said:

    @pax-eterna said:
    Seems the plan is not going to work anyway. As I will be using all three apps (Soft, Jazz and Rock) at the same gigs AND as they are all IAA (meaning they are all open in the background) when I have one set in AUM, when I press the play pedal all three apps start to play. Even if in AUM only one is setup. Even if I change then AUM preset as it is IAA they (the Lumbeat apps) stay open in the background.

    If they are not open in the background, AUM will not load the app, it shows the round app image in red and asks to reload AFTER opening it in the backgorund.

    These REALLY need to be modified to AUv3!!! in IAA it is only really suitable for the studio or for recording - not for live work!

    A good example of why AUV3 works so well, and why all the developers are migrating to it...Even Korg is now :)

    Load each in the background before loading into AUM (a general best practice with IAAs). Rather than have the LUMBeats apps listen directly to the blueboard, route the blueboard through AUM to the LUMBeats apps. There are a number of ways that you could set things up to control which of those apps gets the MIDI.

    I think the problem is the LumBeats apps are starting playback on AUM transport start whether they have midi routed to them or not.

    I’m guessing that you have Ableton Link Start/Stop enabled in the LumBeats apps. If you turn Start/Stop off I think it’ll fix that problem.

    You can disable Link too, but then the apps only seem to follow tempo changes when AUM Play is started, not while playing.

  • wimwim
    edited January 14

    Btw, if you’re using AUM, it has the BLE Midi connect dialog built-in. No need to use Midimittr to connect the Blueboard. AUM can also solve your routing problems by routing the Blueboard’s output to only the app you need at the time.

    I’m confident there’s a way to make it all work if you want to methodically pursue it. (Though I don’t think I’d take the risk of relying on three apps such as that loaded all the time in addition to everything else in a live setting myself. 😬 )

  • thanks espeigel123 and wim....yes I might need to alter the MO and routing via AUM instead. Makes more sense really.

    I'll run a trial show at home and leave it all running for a few hours and see how it goes. (re the running three apps)

    Just as a diversion, hahaha, I was trying to to the iBassist thing and "sync" it with the drum apps (and set it exactly as described in the Soundtestroom video tute) but it doesn't work either....so it's been a bit of a wasted few hours.

    I'll go back to sq 1, and start with AUM and go from there.

    Thanks again :)

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