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I need an iPad interface

abfabf
edited July 22 in General App Discussion

I'm searching for an audio/MIDI interface for iPad Air v3 (lightning port) that is NOT bus powered. I want to be able to record an electric guitar, overdub a vocal, then overdub a stereo synth. I would also like the ability to direct monitor.

There is a Zoom U-24 which can be battery powered. I understand when two sources are input they sum to mono for monitoring. Still, workable I think.

There is the IK Duo. I don't know how well it fits my criteria. I see that direct monitoring is a switch, so no way to blend the input source with the iPad sound while recording?

There is the Roland Rubix 44. Maybe more than I need, but it has what I want. But it gets bad reviews for stability.

More inputs and outputs would be fine. But I don't need fancy routing, and I don't want to HAVE to use software to get it working (RME, new Steinberg UR-RT).

What else is there? I don't care about included software, and I could spend up to $600 (but less is better) as long as it's a good product. Please help and thank you for any suggestions!

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  • edited July 21

    I think that the Scarlett 8i6 fits the bill (lower-specced Scarletts are bus-powered). You can set up fancy routings with their software, but it's definitely not required. It does seem like it has much more than you need feature-wise, like the Rubix 44 you mentioned, but I haven't seen any negative reviews regarding stability.

  • @abf said:
    There is a Zoom U-24 which can be battery powered. I understand it doesn't really record to stereo and when two sources are input they sum to mono for monitoring. Still, workable I think.

    You scared me there for a moment. Then I realized the one I had my eyes on was the U-44
    Wouldn't it fit what you want better?

  • @abf said:
    I'm searching for an audio/MIDI interface for iPad Air v3 (lightning port) that is NOT bus powered. I want to be able to record an electric guitar, overdub a vocal, then overdub a stereo synth. I would also like the ability to direct monitor.

    There is a Zoom U-24 which can be battery powered. I understand it doesn't really record to stereo and when two sources are input they sum to mono for monitoring. Still, workable I think.

    There is the IK Duo. I don't know how well it fits my criteria. I see that direct monitoring is a switch, so no way to blend the input source with the iPad sound while recording?

    There is the Roland Rubix 44. Maybe more than I need, but it has what I want. But it gets bad reviews for stability.

    More inputs and outputs would be fine. But I don't need fancy routing, and I don't want to HAVE to use software to get it working (RME, new Steinberg UR-RT).

    What else is there? I don't care about included software, and I could spend up to $600 (but less is better) as long as it's a good product. Please help and thank you for any suggestions!

    I have the Zoom U24 and it works great. I was unaware that it doesn't record in stereo which sounds strange but it for sure does monitor in mono.
    I'd stay away from the IK duo. Those preamps and outputs are very harsh. I returned mine as it had the worst sound quality from the other interfaces I have.

  • edited July 21

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @abf said:
    I'm searching for an audio/MIDI interface for iPad Air v3 (lightning port) that is NOT bus powered. I want to be able to record an electric guitar, overdub a vocal, then overdub a stereo synth. I would also like the ability to direct monitor.

    There is a Zoom U-24 which can be battery powered. I understand it doesn't really record to stereo and when two sources are input they sum to mono for monitoring. Still, workable I think.

    There is the IK Duo. I don't know how well it fits my criteria. I see that direct monitoring is a switch, so no way to blend the input source with the iPad sound while recording?

    There is the Roland Rubix 44. Maybe more than I need, but it has what I want. But it gets bad reviews for stability.

    More inputs and outputs would be fine. But I don't need fancy routing, and I don't want to HAVE to use software to get it working (RME, new Steinberg UR-RT).

    What else is there? I don't care about included software, and I could spend up to $600 (but less is better) as long as it's a good product. Please help and thank you for any suggestions!

    I have the Zoom U24 and it works great. I was unaware that it doesn't record in stereo which sounds strange but it for sure does monitor in mono.
    I'd stay away from the IK duo. Those preamps and outputs are very harsh. I returned mine as it had the worst sound quality from the other interfaces I have.

    I think like the Focusrites the Zoom will record stereo but you can only get a mono sum when directly monitoring the input signal (monitoring the input + iPad audio output, eg a full mix, should be in stereo. Not for sure, but I went with a cheapie Presonus because of the addition of MIDI [bus-powered though, so I understand that eliminates it] and it’s the same way).

    Agreed with skipping the IK stuff. And I’ll be honest, Apogee didn’t give me anything sound-quality wise over the cheapo Presonus I got. I was surprised. The price difference, in my opinion, is just not worth it. If you’re gonna go big bucks, go with Universal Audio Apollo (if it’s reliable with iPad, I honestly don’t know).

  • Centrance MixerFace R4

  • +1 for the Zoom U-24 from me, love this thing.

  • Thank you everybody for taking the time to reply.

    The Centrance interfaces look beautiful but unfortunately don't have MIDI connections. The Scarlett 8i6 looks really nice but I think it relies on software for set up. That's one thing that the Roland Rubix had going for it- everything you need to adjust is right on the unit. I just saw too many negative reviews to feel safe to buy it.

    I think I'm going to get the Zoom U-24. It does record stereo, I believe, but you can't direct monitor in stereo. That's not a deal breaker. It looks nice and simple, I hope it sounds ok. Now I'm going to shop for guitar amp sims for iPad :)

  • @oat_phipps said:

    @YZJustDatGuy said:

    @abf said:
    I'm searching for an audio/MIDI interface for iPad Air v3 (lightning port) that is NOT bus powered. I want to be able to record an electric guitar, overdub a vocal, then overdub a stereo synth. I would also like the ability to direct monitor.

    There is a Zoom U-24 which can be battery powered. I understand it doesn't really record to stereo and when two sources are input they sum to mono for monitoring. Still, workable I think.

    There is the IK Duo. I don't know how well it fits my criteria. I see that direct monitoring is a switch, so no way to blend the input source with the iPad sound while recording?

    There is the Roland Rubix 44. Maybe more than I need, but it has what I want. But it gets bad reviews for stability.

    More inputs and outputs would be fine. But I don't need fancy routing, and I don't want to HAVE to use software to get it working (RME, new Steinberg UR-RT).

    What else is there? I don't care about included software, and I could spend up to $600 (but less is better) as long as it's a good product. Please help and thank you for any suggestions!

    I have the Zoom U24 and it works great. I was unaware that it doesn't record in stereo which sounds strange but it for sure does monitor in mono.
    I'd stay away from the IK duo. Those preamps and outputs are very harsh. I returned mine as it had the worst sound quality from the other interfaces I have.

    I think like the Focusrites the Zoom will record stereo but you can only get a mono sum when directly monitoring the input signal (monitoring the input + iPad audio output, eg a full mix, should be in stereo. Not for sure, but I went with a cheapie Presonus because of the addition of MIDI [bus-powered though, so I understand that eliminates it] and it’s the same way).

    Agreed with skipping the IK stuff. And I’ll be honest, Apogee didn’t give me anything sound-quality wise over the cheapo Presonus I got. I was surprised. The price difference, in my opinion, is just not worth it. If you’re gonna go big bucks, go with Universal Audio Apollo (if it’s reliable with iPad, I honestly don’t know).

    None of UAs stuff works on iPad and I really really wish it did. The Antelope Zen Go might be a nice substitute tho as it’s class compliant

  • If you're okay with using a mixer-type interface, Tascam Model 12 looks promising.

    https://tascam.com/us/product/model_12/top

    Apparently, it's bigger than the candidates though.

  • Another +1 for the U24.

    are you sure it sums to mono? I will try it later if I get a chance but I’m sure I’ve never noticed that.

    In the manual there is no mention of summing to mono. It does say it uses Line 1 to monitor the audio coming from the iPhone/ipad/Mac but that’s a stereo pair.

    Lino to manual: https://www.zoom.co.jp/sites/default/files/products/downloads/pdfs/E_U-24_0.pdf

  • MOTU Ultralite mk5

  • Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

  • @abf said:
    Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

    The Zoom U-24 definitely does not sum the inputs passed through to USB. The two inputs are even available as distinct sources on the iPad or computer.

    When direct monitoring, it sums the inputs. This has no impact on recording.

    I'd suggest editing the original post to clarify that -- otherwise there will be yet another post saying the Zoom U-24 doesn't record stereo. Such posts had me questioning whether to get one but eventually I found a definitive post on the subject.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @abf said:
    Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

    The Zoom U-24 definitely does not sum the inputs passed through to USB. The two inputs are even available as distinct sources on the iPad or computer.

    When direct monitoring, it sums the inputs. This has no impact on recording.

    I'd suggest editing the original post to clarify that -- otherwise there will be yet another post saying the Zoom U-24 doesn't record stereo. Such posts had me questioning whether to get one but eventually I found a definitive post on the subject.

    I think maybe somebody on one of those other forums (that didn’t even own the U24) tried to be clever and misunderstood the manual, perhaps thinking “Line 1” was a mono input when Zoom actually refer to Line 1 and Line 2 as stereo outputs.

    It’s funny how incorrect facts on forums get repeated as fact so frequently.

  • @klownshed said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @abf said:
    Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

    The Zoom U-24 definitely does not sum the inputs passed through to USB. The two inputs are even available as distinct sources on the iPad or computer.

    When direct monitoring, it sums the inputs. This has no impact on recording.

    I'd suggest editing the original post to clarify that -- otherwise there will be yet another post saying the Zoom U-24 doesn't record stereo. Such posts had me questioning whether to get one but eventually I found a definitive post on the subject.

    I think maybe somebody on one of those other forums (that didn’t even own the U24) tried to be clever and misunderstood the manual, perhaps thinking “Line 1” was a mono input when Zoom actually refer to Line 1 and Line 2 as stereo outputs.

    It’s funny how incorrect facts on forums get repeated as fact so frequently.

    When I was researching, there were so many posts in various fora (including here) that misstated the situation that I almost didn't get mine (I was skeptical that it would have such an egregious flaw based on other Zoom gear I own and the number of accomplished recordist using it) --but I eventually found a definitive post that include Zoom's signal flow diagram.

    At the price I got it ($99), it was a great deal. I haven't compared it directly to a MOTU unit, but it is quiet and transparent.

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @abf said:
    Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

    The Zoom U-24 definitely does not sum the inputs passed through to USB. The two inputs are even available as distinct sources on the iPad or computer.

    When direct monitoring, it sums the inputs. This has no impact on recording.

    I'd suggest editing the original post to clarify that -- otherwise there will be yet another post saying the Zoom U-24 doesn't record stereo. Such posts had me questioning whether to get one but eventually I found a definitive post on the subject.

    Edited. Thanks, everyone for the information and clarifications. Can the Zoom record to one stereo file from both inputs, or is that a decision made in the DAW?

    So the Zoom U-24 does record to stereo, the playback is stereo, but direct monitoring is mono.
    The package arrives next week sometime, I'm looking forward to it!

  • edited July 22

    Hey @abf check out the M-Audio AIR line. I have the 192|6 and it's been great. Bus powered, 2 audio in, 2 out, full size Midi I/O usb c or 3, low latency, no software needed, convenient switch between usb and direct monitor.

    Worth checking out IMO, but also you can upgrade to the 192|14 with your budget though... but that model requires external power.

  • Ok, thanks DatGood. I'll check it out now.

  • @abf said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @abf said:
    Ooooh that Motu is nice.
    Hey klownshed, thanks for that link. The U-24 manual doesn't go into much detail about direct monitoring. I hope I'm wrong about it, the information about direct monitoring being mono came from several forum posts online. I hope it is user error. I ordered one so I'll find out in a week or so and post back in this thread.

    The Zoom U-24 definitely does not sum the inputs passed through to USB. The two inputs are even available as distinct sources on the iPad or computer.

    When direct monitoring, it sums the inputs. This has no impact on recording.

    I'd suggest editing the original post to clarify that -- otherwise there will be yet another post saying the Zoom U-24 doesn't record stereo. Such posts had me questioning whether to get one but eventually I found a definitive post on the subject.

    Edited. Thanks, everyone for the information and clarifications. **Can the Zoom record to one stereo file from both inputs, or is that a decision made in the DAW? **

    That is dependent on your host/DAW.

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