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LK vs Drambo for AUM MIDI Sequencing | haQ attaQ
So I've tried using the LK midi app together with AUM as some of you suggested to me and it is a good app. However LK is not working out fro me, but Drambo on the other hand does. Why is it that I like using Drambo for MIDI Sequencing inside AUM instead of LK? Watch and find out.
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Enjoyed the video. I’m fine with doing mixer and transport controls on the screen. And I like an editable piano roll
Excellent video. I’ve just been a week away from midi whilst on an MPE tip, recording audio loops In AUM into what I discovered to be a much improved (as in working properly) L7 looper. Now I’ve come back round to add non MPE instruments as midi. I’ve been using LK for that and it is also much improved (the beta) in just the couple of weeks since I last used it. I even used it with Ableton Live today which felt like an ironic bonus novelty.
I think the thing you’ve missed is LK’s hardware controller support. I’ve been using it with a Launchpad X and that gives me most of the control you are missing from the absence of midi learn within the app. Other controllers are also now supported.
However, you made the Drambo route look really straightforward, so I will also be using that. After all, no reason why they can’t play happily together. Thank you for presenting things so clearly.
Edit: deleted repeat post - quote not edit again... doh.
A viewer commented over at YouTube about being a tester of Drambo. Looks like there’s a piano roll in the works.
Ah, so it does have hardware controller support. Thanks for letting me know.
I’d still like midi learn because it makes setting up controllers so easy. Especially since one can use any type of controller.
An LK tester commented over at YouTube and said that there is support coming for the nano kontrollers.
And Soonita is so pretty, she keeps playing, ‘Hard to get’..
Lack of MIDI learn in LK is a hassle imo. If it had good midi learn, I'd be using it all the time.
I would use LK much much more if it had convenient Midi Learn OR a default set of assignments one could map to. It is really time-consuming to set it up as every pattern you want to control with MIDI takes many taps to make an assignment.
It does support some controllers out of the box (including some Launchpads), but I'd much prefer midi learn because I only need a 4x4 grid for most of my clip launching and and would like to use the other pads on my controller for other things. But setting up the MIDI assignments is not friendly at this point.
Yes, the new beta of LK has just been released and the following has been added:
That’s great news as I own a LCXL. I‘m on testflight but I don’t know where is the changelog. Do you know?
About MIDI learn, I think it would a great addition but could not replace the controller support. To really utilize a pad controller for clip launching you need the the visual feedback and this must be programmed into the app. Well, the feedback SysEx could also be made editable though.
@jakoB_haQ you hit us right in the heart with that big cross over LK's screenshot and the big red letters for "no midi cc or auv3 parameter mapping". It is time to make it happen!
But please feel free to let us know what you think of the plug and play integration of the korg nano kontrol studio that we have added to the forthcoming version 1.9.3. It should come out in the next couple of days. As Mr. @White said, it is already in beta.
No, I only have the info from the mail from TestFlight
I really hope that LK, Drambo and Atom 2 can all play well together when the dust settles. In particular atom as the piano roll within Drambo and/or LK, as it’s been designed to be modular.
Exciting times!
I love that I can choose from AUM only, with LK or with Drambo, or both, or Drambo standalone, as per my whim and wip up a jam in minutes. All have their limitations and strengths, and I think that is beautiful. The pace at wich they are actively being developed is incredible. I am very happy not having to commit to any, and that creates a highly creative mood for me I never found when using Ableton.
That said, I can fully understand everyone wants something differently, and all the programs are not for everybody, as their approach is very different and doesn't necessarily achieve the same result.
That was me @jakoB_haQ ! 😇
https://forum.beepstreet.com/discussion/1105/drambo-roadmap#latest
Copied from beepstreet forum published this morning:
Drambo Roadmap
Constantly: current fixes and improvements, minor additions
Floatable and improved library browser window
Multi audio IO
Pattern editor improvements: drag'n'drop
Sequence editor improvements: new edit bar and modes
(?) Some reorganizations in main layout options: big/small/hidden keyboard, fullscreen sequencer etc..
Onscreen piano-keyboard improvements: pads / keyboard, midi controllers. Configurable pads behaviour: midi events on gestures
Change scenes - p-lock priority
MIDI learn per rack module
More voices per track (up to 32)
Instant stems recording
Parameters / MIDI automation recording + curve editors ( this will be processed before p-locks , p-locks won't be smoothed )
Fullscreen pianoroll (extended steps view)
Samples management: copy / paste between modules (possible samples pool)
Some improvements and extensions in step components insertion / handling
Timestretching
DSP oversampling options: 1,2,4,8,16
Multi core support
Custom length / speed / direction per track
Clips + clip launcher
(?) Track sequencer extracted as a module
MPE / MIDI 2.0 recording and processing
(?) Unique module settings (all) per pattern / clip
MIDI loopback port inside Drambo standalone
Support for MIDI control surfaces
Modules:
Convert all syncable modules to work with time singal
Analog elements: filters, compressor, saturators
Looper / tape module
Effect modules: flanger, beat repeater, spectral delay
Reverse buffer module
BBD delay
Granular processing / synthesis modules
Spectral noise
Drum rack module
New sequencer modules
UI modules: Button - offset / trigger - multiple buttons, multiple knobs, XY pad with gate
Eurorack pitch CV converter module
Gamepad controller module
Performer rack module (note selects currently applied sub rack)
Math expression module
FFT processing signal type + modules
Graphics processing signal type + modules (distant future)
Wow.. hope midi import/export finds its way in..
I don’t know Atom but I’d like to know what are its advantages over LK‘s piano roll. I mean so far I don’t have huge pain points with it. In LK you can create clips with an infinite number of bars, so it’s not limited to loops.
This makes me aroused..
Wish there was a vactrol/low pass gate in there as well hehe.
That IS a titillating list!
I wasn’t crazy about Drambo as a sequencer, except for drums. Never been a fan of the “Elektron style workflow”. BUT, since Drambo became a AUv3 host, I’m loving it. I can do X0X style drum programming and use other apps for melodic sequencing.
That's a nice list
but I can't see floating AU windows which is one thing keeping me away from standalone Drambo.
But AUM plus Drambo gives a nice combination. I was hoping for the track sequencer to be able to swapped for different modules and looks like it's heading that way too.
I like LK in some respects - it’s quite ambitious, but I find it pretty fiddly. I really need a pencil tool to get the most out of it.
Does anyone know when LK will support Launchpad Mini MK3?
Wow, thank y so much for posting this!
EDIT:
Omg, This list is Making me drool
@jakoB_haQ why don’t you host the AU synths directly in Drambo (standalone version) ? It will give you even more options like controlling the volume with the faders, the pan, etc. directly with your nano studio
I’m going to do a video about that too.
Dude I hope I don't get into trouble having posted this. I didn't realise it was in the beta thread of the beepstreet forum!
It's a legit leak!!!!!
True, the LK piano roll is fine. If find it quite easy to accidentally add notes but that’s about it.
Have a look at the atom 2 thread to see what we’ve got in store from @blueveek
It’s looking incredible.
I find AUM + atom + auv3’s by far the quickest way to get going
Hey, @giku_beepstreet if you kick @supadom out of the beta, I have a long weekend...
Oi oi, easy tiger, I’m alpha user #2! I still have a long way to fall!! 😜
I finally got around to watching this one and it's helpful. I never saw Drambo used in that way and now I want to give this approach a try. Thanks Jacob.
For causal viewers, Jacob lets his hair down on this one.