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OT: America and Sweden leading the world in COVID incompetence

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  • Ooooh, American is number one yet again!!!

    Over 100,000 cases in a single day for the first time ever!

    Donnie is so proud of our once great nation...

  • We have the vaccine! You’re welcome world.

  • You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

  • @SNystrom said:
    You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

    What is sad is all the people around the world including within the U.S. criticizing the way the U.S. had handled the pandemic when once again we are the ones to save the world as usual.

  • @rms13 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

    What is sad is all the people around the world including within the U.S. criticizing the way the U.S. had handled the pandemic when once again we are the ones to save the world as usual.

    We are criticized for our handling because it was objectively abysmal. Look at the trajectory in the u.s. and it is orders of magnitude worse than in places that acted wisely. A large corporation coming up with a vaccine is not a victory or reflection of anything about the government’s actions. Government deserves no credit for companies simply doing what they do.

  • @rms13 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

    What is sad is all the people around the world including within the U.S. criticizing the way the U.S. had handled the pandemic when once again we are the ones to save the world as usual.

    It's a global effort between medical experts and an exchange of data between competing companies that have never happened before.
    But, please be the loud archetype American if it makes you feel better. "The US saving the world as usual" Darn, I almost wish Kurth would have read that one (emphasis on almost)

  • If you're trying to claim American greatness is the reason for the vaccine, you're only half-assed correct.

    Pfizer is based in New York. They partnered with BioNTech SE, which is a German biotechnology company.

    Donnie (and his sorry collection of minions like you) will try to take credit for it anyway — guaranteed!

    "Believe me!" 🙄

  • @espiegel123 said:

    @rms13 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

    What is sad is all the people around the world including within the U.S. criticizing the way the U.S. had handled the pandemic when once again we are the ones to save the world as usual.

    We are criticized for our handling because it was objectively abysmal. Look at the trajectory in the u.s. and it is orders of magnitude worse than in places that acted wisely. A large corporation coming up with a vaccine is not a victory or reflection of anything about the government’s actions. Government deserves no credit for companies simply doing what they do.

    The government most certainly deserves credit for fostering a competitive capitalist economy that incentives innovation. There is a reason why one of many American companies working on the vaccine was first there and not a company from another country. The country that handles it best is the one that finds a cure or vaccine for the world.

  • You are so right!

    Germany has done a serperior job handling the pandemic and BioNTech SE has done an equally great job creating an in credibly effective vaccine for the world! 🇩🇪

  • @rms13 said:

    @espiegel123 said:

    @rms13 said:

    @SNystrom said:
    You're welcome world?!?!?!

    What a pompous, arrogant thing to say.

    So sad.

    What is sad is all the people around the world including within the U.S. criticizing the way the U.S. had handled the pandemic when once again we are the ones to save the world as usual.

    We are criticized for our handling because it was objectively abysmal. Look at the trajectory in the u.s. and it is orders of magnitude worse than in places that acted wisely. A large corporation coming up with a vaccine is not a victory or reflection of anything about the government’s actions. Government deserves no credit for companies simply doing what they do.

    The government most certainly deserves credit for fostering a competitive capitalist economy that incentives innovation. There is a reason why one of many American companies working on the vaccine was first there and not a company from another country. The country that handles it best is the one that finds a cure or vaccine for the world.

    U.S. competitiveness in pharmaceuticals has literally nothing to do with the current government. It would have been the same with a Democrat in office -- though a hundred thousand or more people that died would have been spared.

    You are living in a world of alternate facts if you think that the U.S. has responded appropriately to date to the pandemic. Perhaps you are unaware that many many countries have had far far far lower per-capita deaths than the U.S. If you don't know that, please do some research that outside of the FOX/Breitbart influenced media.

  • Big pharma needed zero incentive from the government to fast track a vaccine for a global pandemic. There would have been a first-to-market sprint regardless. Where the government can help is ensuring that it's not $500 pp to get a vaccination.

  • The US government had almost nothing to do with this, and as others have said, this was not just a US-based effort.

    We should just be glad that progress has been made, and no one needs to go waving their flag in other countries’ faces at a time like this.

  • edited November 2020

    No talk about the Columbia U nasal spray? Thank you, ferrets!

    https://www.cuimc.columbia.edu/news/could-nasal-spray-prevent-coronavirus-transmission

    As far as the Great American vaccine... the WarpSpeeders have undermined science to the degree that purportedly only 50% in the US will agree to take a vaccine where a 50% protection is considered a success. That allows my 72 year old body with respiratory issues to feel safe commingling again when? When the infection rate is around 1%. But, hey, I know how to snort shit up my nose.

  • @rms13 : btw, Pfizer is a multinational corporation and a key partner in the vaccine (the co-developer) is a German company.

  • The vaccine is truly great news but on a cautious note the mutation from the minks looks like it’s spreading from human to human.

  • I think you’ll find, just like the space race, the Russians got there first.

  • @knewspeak said:
    The vaccine is truly great news but on a cautious note the mutation from the minks looks like it’s spreading from human to human.

    All the epidemiologists I have seen weigh in on this say that the mutation that the minks have is no more dangerous to humans than the other known strains AND it is not new. It has been know since something like April that minks (and some other animals) are susceptible to the same strains as humans. The abundance of caution in killing the mink population is to reduce the possibility (however unlikely) that a further mutation (however unlikely) will appear.

    There was a good explainer in STATnews.

  • Stupid is as stupid does:

    “More than a dozen states have seen record-high Covid-19 infections in the past five days, as the country experiences case counts never seen before anywhere in the world and, once again, surging hospitalizations and deaths.
    But public health experts around the country told STAT they were deeply worried that there has not been a correspondingly urgent response from federal, state, and local leaders. As a result, they warned, the country is set on an even more dire course as it moves deeper into the fall and holiday season.
    Even as cases spiral, many state leaders — wary of inflaming a worn-out public, dismissive of the pandemic, or philosophically opposed to government intervention — are not implementing the types of measures that succeeded in reining in major outbreaks in the spring and summer. By and large, public leaders — some Democrats but particularly Republicans — are putting the impetus on individuals to take steps to slow transmission instead of spearheading new campaigns to curtail the coronavirus.”

    https://apple.news/Ajz7yfKxsT364zyVcFDOPcw

  • Soooooooooo, what does The director of the U.S. COVID task force decide to do?

    And people have the audacity to wonder why Americans despise the Trump administration.

  • can any of us unsee what we've seen in America over the last year?...

    seems like even if things go well the next 4 years, the fact things have been this terrible, and half the voting population standing behind Trump makes it hard to see how incredibly broken America has become. I think most of the world wants to believe America can return to glory, but I have a hard time seeing how to ignore the hundreds of thousands of live lost for nothing.

  • I’m glad that Biden will take COVID19 seriously and be irresponsible morons like all in Trumps orbit.

    ALSO glad Biden will be in charge of purchasing and distribution of the vaccine (when it’s finished testing and is approved)

    Herman Caine — deceased

    All the people from Trumps super-spreading event:

    People in the White House cluster who have reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus
    This list includes people who attended the September 26 Barrett event and/or have had close recent contact with the White House.

    SOON TO BE FORMER President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump
    Barron Trump, the president and the first lady’s son

    Hope Hicks, senior adviser to President Trump
    Stephen Miller, senior White House adviser
    Kayleigh McEnany, White House press secretary
    Four McEnany aides

    Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT)
    Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)
    Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-CA)
    Sen. Johnson

    Kellyanne Conway, former senior White House counselor
    Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager
    Chris Christie, former New Jersey governor
    Nicholas Luna, Trump assistant

    John Jenkins, president of the University of Notre Dame
    Pastor Greg Laurie

    Three journalists from the White House press corps
    A White House press staffer
    A military aide
    A presidential valet
    Vice Commandant Ray
    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel

    Now infected:
    Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff
    HUD Secretary Ben Carson

    WEAR YOUR F*CKING MASKS (over your nose FFS), DISTANCE, AND WASH YOUR HANDS

  • https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-rt-pcr-how-to-mislead-all-humanity-using-a-test-to-lock-down-society/5728483

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-test-missed-cases-covid-b1639174.html

    CDC replaces text about re-testing
    https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/end-home-isolation.html
    This was deleted:
    Data to date show that a person who has had and recovered from COVID-19 may have low levels of virus in their bodies for up to 3 months after diagnosis. This means that if the person who has recovered from COVID-19 is retested within 3 months of initial infection, they may continue to have a positive test result, even though they are not spreading COVID-19.
    This was replaced:
    However, anyone who has had close contact with someone with COVID-19 and who meets the following criteria does NOT need to stay home.
    Has COVID-19 illness within the previous 3 months and
    Has recovered and
    Remains without COVID-19 symptoms (for example, cough, shortness of breath)

  • @audiblevideo said:
    I’m glad that Biden will take COVID19 seriously and be irresponsible morons like all in Trumps orbit.

    ALSO glad Biden will be in charge of purchasing and distribution of the vaccine (when it’s finished testing and is approved)

    Herman Caine — deceased

    All the people from Trumps super-spreading event:

    People in the White House cluster who have reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus
    This list includes people who attended the September 26 Barrett event and/or have had close recent contact with the White House.

    SOON TO BE FORMER President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump
    Barron Trump, the president and the first lady’s son

    Hope Hicks, senior adviser to President Trump
    Stephen Miller, senior White House adviser
    Kayleigh McEnany, White House press secretary
    Four McEnany aides

    Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT)
    Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)
    Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-CA)
    Sen. Johnson

    Kellyanne Conway, former senior White House counselor
    Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager
    Chris Christie, former New Jersey governor
    Nicholas Luna, Trump assistant

    John Jenkins, president of the University of Notre Dame
    Pastor Greg Laurie

    Three journalists from the White House press corps
    A White House press staffer
    A military aide
    A presidential valet
    Vice Commandant Ray
    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel

    Now infected:
    Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff
    HUD Secretary Ben Carson

    WEAR YOUR F*CKING MASKS (over your nose FFS), DISTANCE, AND WASH YOUR HANDS

    How many do you think were infected by all the Biden super spreader celebrations over the past week?

  • Probably a lot less with the higher percentage wearing masks, but still Ill-advised close socializing that is likely to result in an amount of unnecessary spreading.

  • @rms13 : I love the whataboutism.

    Were the largely masked celebrations errors in judgment. Certainly. Are outdoor gatherings where people are largely masked super spreader events? We don’t know. It’ll be 3 to 4 weeks before we will know.

    Will they have the same degree of impact on the pandemic that the daily refusal to wear masks by MAGA-ites? Almost certainly not.

    In any case, the poor decision by the people gathering outdoors to celebrate (even with masks) was poor judgment. Those decisions in no way excuse the poor public health policies of the Trump administration...which has included the politicization of the CDC.

  • @michael_m said:
    Probably a lot less with the higher percentage wearing masks, but still Ill-advised close socializing that is likely to result in an amount of unnecessary spreading.

    "Probably"

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @rms13 : I love the whataboutism.

    Were the largely masked celebrations errors in judgment. Certainly. Are outdoor gatherings where people are largely masked super spreader events? We don’t know. It’ll be 3 to 4 weeks before we will know.

    Will they have the same degree of impact on the pandemic that the daily refusal to wear masks by MAGA-ites? Almost certainly not.

    In any case, the poor decision by the people gathering outdoors to celebrate (even with masks) was poor judgment. Those decisions in no way excuse the poor public health policies of the Trump administration...which has included the politicization of the CDC.

    Everything about Covid has been politicized. Read some of the articles I posted. PCR test is what is commonly used and it's not a reliable test. Even the creator of the PCR test admitted that when it was being used for HIV. It's funny how all of these NFL players test positive for Covid now and then 5 days later they are negative and allowed to play in games. That goes against the "science" that is being used to lock the rest of us down.

    Ultimately we all need to be independent thinkers. We should all respect everyone's opinions but also realize that no opinion is absolute truth.

  • We should also realize "the truth" changes daily — based on science and which techniques and medical practices produce the most positive results for those afflicted.

    Many have wasted too much precious time going to the past and blasting the "common advice" given back in February.

    We all should be willing to embrace change as reflected by the data.

  • @rms13 said:

    @audiblevideo said:
    I’m glad that Biden will take COVID19 seriously and be irresponsible morons like all in Trumps orbit.

    ALSO glad Biden will be in charge of purchasing and distribution of the vaccine (when it’s finished testing and is approved)

    Herman Caine — deceased

    All the people from Trumps super-spreading event:

    People in the White House cluster who have reportedly tested positive for the coronavirus
    This list includes people who attended the September 26 Barrett event and/or have had close recent contact with the White House.

    SOON TO BE FORMER President Donald Trump and first lady Melania Trump
    Barron Trump, the president and the first lady’s son

    Hope Hicks, senior adviser to President Trump
    Stephen Miller, senior White House adviser
    Kayleigh McEnany, White House press secretary
    Four McEnany aides

    Sen. Mike Lee (R-UT)
    Sen. Thom Tillis (R-NC)
    Rep. Salud Carbajal (D-CA)
    Sen. Johnson

    Kellyanne Conway, former senior White House counselor
    Bill Stepien, Trump’s campaign manager
    Chris Christie, former New Jersey governor
    Nicholas Luna, Trump assistant

    John Jenkins, president of the University of Notre Dame
    Pastor Greg Laurie

    Three journalists from the White House press corps
    A White House press staffer
    A military aide
    A presidential valet
    Vice Commandant Ray
    Republican National Committee Chair Ronna McDaniel

    Now infected:
    Mark Meadows, Chief of Staff
    HUD Secretary Ben Carson

    WEAR YOUR F*CKING MASKS (over your nose FFS), DISTANCE, AND WASH YOUR HANDS

    How many do you think were infected by all the Biden super spreader celebrations over the past week?

    Is that supposed to be a veiled “both-sides”? The point is LEADERSHIP did not ever take this seriously for us or for themselves. Now hundreds of thousands are dead because of it. If they tested, masked, distanced and quarantined then my tone of deserved disrespect, and ire might have been different.

    If it isn’t what is the point of your comment?

  • Okay, I think that's probably enough - you're welcome to continue discussion in PMs, but I'd like to cut down on the antagonism and I suspect any US politics at all is going to be anathema to that right now. Back to music!

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