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Connecting Boss GP-10 into iPadOS by USB?

Hi there!

I would like to know if someone have been tried to use the GP- 10 USB interface to route audio and midi for recording and controlling apps. And if it’s affirmative, how to do it.

Thanks for attention!

Comments

  • I had a GP-10. I sold it. It is not USB class compliant unfortunately.

  • @Montreal_Music said:
    I had a GP-10. I sold it. It is not USB class compliant unfortunately.

    Unfortunately is a bad news... Thank you so much for replying!

  • You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

  • @Vaultnaemsae said:
    You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

    Wow! It helps a lot!!! Thanks!
    I’ll check it out!
    And I’m very surprised about SY-1000... Awesome guitar synth, but much expensive to not be midi class complaint.

  • Unlike GP-10, SY-1000 has DIN connectors so it's easy to connect to a Focusrite. You can use a BLE MIDI dongle to connect directly to an iPad.

  • @RenattoVaz said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

    Wow! It helps a lot!!! Thanks!
    I’ll check it out!
    And I’m very surprised about SY-1000... Awesome guitar synth, but much expensive to not be midi class complaint.

    Buy RoxSyn by Yonac. Way better than any guitar synth that you can buy. And it's only 27$. Wait for the Black Friday, and you will pay like 8$. Yonac apps are often in reduction (thanks to AppSliced).

  • edited May 24

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @RenattoVaz said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

    Wow! It helps a lot!!! Thanks!
    I’ll check it out!
    And I’m very surprised about SY-1000... Awesome guitar synth, but much expensive to not be midi class complaint.

    Buy RoxSyn by Yonac. Way better than any guitar synth that you can buy. And it's only 27$. Wait for the Black Friday, and you will pay like 8$. Yonac apps are often in reduction (thanks to AppSliced).

    RoxSyn is a fun (and cheap) app. I bought it on its release and have played with it a fair bit. But it's a toy compared to the Boss/Roland devices; completely different experiences. But that said, there's nothing stopping you from using both :)

  • Guys, thanks for all of your tips!

  • @Vaultnaemsae said:

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @RenattoVaz said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

    Wow! It helps a lot!!! Thanks!
    I’ll check it out!
    And I’m very surprised about SY-1000... Awesome guitar synth, but much expensive to not be midi class complaint.

    Buy RoxSyn by Yonac. Way better than any guitar synth that you can buy. And it's only 27$. Wait for the Black Friday, and you will pay like 8$. Yonac apps are often in reduction (thanks to AppSliced).

    RoxSyn is a fun (and cheap) app. I bought it on its release and have played with it a fair bit. But it's a toy compared to the Boss/Roland devices; completely different experiences. But that said, there's nothing stopping you from using both :)

    I’m never sure what people means when they said that an app/software/piece or gear is a toy.

    I sold my GP-10 because of the latency. For me, latency is a big turn off. I know that the SY-1000 is not midi so I’m guessing that the latency is not an issue. Obviously, you have more options with the SY-1000 but it obviously more expensive. It depend on what you need I guess.

    For me, Roxsyn makes the job when I want a synth sound with my guitar. I’m not ashamed of the sound. The sounds you can generate with this app are not all great, but I can say the same thing for the SY-1000. The difference in sound quality between app and « pro-gear » is not obvious. I bought a lot of used gear on Kijiji, Craiglist, Ebay, Reverb over the time, and I feel a little bit of a snobish mindset in the mind of some people. Maybe I’m wrong.

    With the technology, we can make a 8$ IOS synth sound as good as a 2000$ hardware synth. To me, Sunrizer sound as good as the Juno my father bought 25 years ago for an arm and a leg. I’m lacking raffinements but I often can not hear the difference in quality sound between a Joyo pedal and a « boutique » pedal or between an analog delay and a delay you can find in a Zoom pedal. Some Joyo pedal sound terrible and are « toys » but some are top notch.

    I love my Zoom CDR-70 and one of my friends call it « a toy ». To me, my 140$ pedal sound as good as a 2000$ pro Lexicon reverb that some people bought in 1990. Like computer, music gear evolve quickly.

    I was a little bit off topic, but I just wanted to share somes thoughts.

  • I had the SY-1000 for a few months. It was a pretty cool but the USB to MIDI latency was to high for me. Someone told me the MIDI out had better latency, but I was not able to test it. I am now planing to try (6) of the new to be released Sonicsmith ConVertor E1 perhaps with the SynQuaNon 13-pin breakout perhaps in conjunction with an expertsleepers ES-8 or ES-9.

  • @Montreal_Music said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:

    @Montreal_Music said:

    @RenattoVaz said:

    @Vaultnaemsae said:
    You need to use a secondary interface and go analog from GP-10 into that. As far as MIDI I/O is concerned, you can get a box called a MIDX-20 from a guy in Sweden who custom builds them (Primova). It connects to the USB out of the GP-10 and than has DIN outputs so you can connect it to your 2nd interface if it has MIDI in/out or use a DIN<->USB adaptor cable (I use a UM-One mk.2). This works and it's fine but it was really really really dumb for Roland not to make it class compliant (same for the SY-1000).

    Wow! It helps a lot!!! Thanks!
    I’ll check it out!
    And I’m very surprised about SY-1000... Awesome guitar synth, but much expensive to not be midi class complaint.

    Buy RoxSyn by Yonac. Way better than any guitar synth that you can buy. And it's only 27$. Wait for the Black Friday, and you will pay like 8$. Yonac apps are often in reduction (thanks to AppSliced).

    RoxSyn is a fun (and cheap) app. I bought it on its release and have played with it a fair bit. But it's a toy compared to the Boss/Roland devices; completely different experiences. But that said, there's nothing stopping you from using both :)

    I’m never sure what people means when they said that an app/software/piece or gear is a toy.

    I sold my GP-10 because of the latency. For me, latency is a big turn off. I know that the SY-1000 is not midi so I’m guessing that the latency is not an issue. Obviously, you have more options with the SY-1000 but it obviously more expensive. It depend on what you need I guess.

    For me, Roxsyn makes the job when I want a synth sound with my guitar. I’m not ashamed of the sound. The sounds you can generate with this app are not all great, but I can say the same thing for the SY-1000. The difference in sound quality between app and « pro-gear » is not obvious. I bought a lot of used gear on Kijiji, Craiglist, Ebay, Reverb over the time, and I feel a little bit of a snobish mindset in the mind of some people. Maybe I’m wrong.

    With the technology, we can make a 8$ IOS synth sound as good as a 2000$ hardware synth. To me, Sunrizer sound as good as the Juno my father bought 25 years ago for an arm and a leg. I’m lacking raffinements but I often can not hear the difference in quality sound between a Joyo pedal and a « boutique » pedal or between an analog delay and a delay you can find in a Zoom pedal. Some Joyo pedal sound terrible and are « toys » but some are top notch.

    I love my Zoom CDR-70 and one of my friends call it « a toy ». To me, my 140$ pedal sound as good as a 2000$ pro Lexicon reverb that some people bought in 1990. Like computer, music gear evolve quickly.

    I was a little bit off topic, but I just wanted to share somes thoughts.

    Yeah, I hear ya. Price isn't really the issue when it comes to sound; especially in our iOS age where you can have a badass synth for $10 or less sometimes.

    When I say "toy" (and it wasn't intended to be snobby or cork sniffy) it was a reference to the feature set of the hardware guitar synth/modeling devices (expansive) vs RoxSyn (limited). Of course use case depends on each person's preferences.

    For me, I make a lot of use of the guitar/instrument modeling in the SY/VG/GP gear. There is no app that will do that and probably never will be for fairly obvious reasons. Whatever helps you fulfill your musical ideas is the right thing for you.

  • @nerVe said:
    I had the SY-1000 for a few months. It was a pretty cool but the USB to MIDI latency was to high for me. Someone told me the MIDI out had better latency, but I was not able to test it. I am now planing to try (6) of the new to be released Sonicsmith ConVertor E1 perhaps with the SynQuaNon 13-pin breakout perhaps in conjunction with an expertsleepers ES-8 or ES-9.

    Hmmm, I just recorded a guitar synth solo for a friend's recording today using the SY-1000 to control some softsynths in Logic Pro X (MIDI over USB) and it tracks 16th note triplets at 120 BPM with no trouble. I always tweak the MIDI to get it absolutely perfect after it's been recorded but I've happily used my GP-10 live in the past and had no worries about its Pitch-to-MIDI capabilities. You'll have different tolerances depending on the use case though.

    Of course if you're in iOS land with an SY-1000 you'll need to use the DIN MIDI out. I've had good results with that too.

    I hypothesize that a lot of dissatisfied users of Boss/Roland guitar synth gear haven't optimized their settings/guitar setup/technique.

    Definitely curious about those devices you mentioned and sure the journey will be a tonne of fun for you.

  • Yeah...Useable for sure... Sy-1000 is a versatile all in one guitar unit. Desert Island swiss army knife kinda unit for sure.

    I wanted improved latency, with USB and with the internal oscillators, even after optimization. The rest of the unit features are redundant to me (again aside from being all in one). I hope the Sonicsmith stuff feels more natural.

  • edited May 24

    There's a lot of discussion about SY-1000 and GP-10 over at VGuitarForums, but I doubt that many of the participants over there are aware of all the things an iPad can provide.

    I love the SY-1000, but I also appreciate that I can extend it using iPad apps created by hardware manufacturers like Eventide, Korg, Moog, MOOER and Novation (who did I leave out?). I can use any number of AU plugins at a fraction of their cost on the desktop, as well as the many great apps that only exist on the iPad. I can even do MIDI processing using MidiFire and Mozaic. I can record, edit, and mix. It's great to have an SY-1000 at my feet and an iPad at my fingertips!

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