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New point to point wireless Bluetooth MIDI adapter for hardware synthesizers

edited April 2020 in Creations

Welcome to check our new development of WIDI Master, it is your virtual MIDI cable. The new wireless standard. Bluetooth MIDI as approved by the MIDI association. Now you can connect all your MIDI devices - without computers - without cables - with MIDI over Bluetooth!
https://www.cme-pro.com/widi-master/

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  • That looks pretty sweet.

  • How would it compare to the Yamaha BT (also 5-pin format). I really need the USB version before another 5-pin based connection. More of my hardware is USB only lately.

  • It's been on pre-order for quite a while.
    When is it going to be delivered to customers?

  • @Poppadocrock said:
    That looks pretty sweet.

    Thanks! Welcome to join our FB group for more discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/CMEXkeyusers/

  • @McD said:
    How would it compare to the Yamaha BT (also 5-pin format). I really need the USB version before another 5-pin based connection. More of my hardware is USB only lately.

    We have received this particular comparison question multiple times. We hereby take the time to briefly explain the difference. Yamaha only implemented Bluetooth Peripheral (slave). That is why you still need to connect your computer or iOS device to use this solution.

    WIDI Master gives you all flexibility to connect any Bluetooth MIDI device or adapter (including Yamaha) directly. This is because it implements both Master and Slave mode in the same device.

    This means that you now can connect all your MIDI hardware directly to each other. Without a computer. Without cables.
    https://www.cme-pro.com/how-to-connect-two-midi-hardware-via-wireless-bluetooth-midi/

  • @rs2000 said:
    It's been on pre-order for quite a while.
    When is it going to be delivered to customers?

    Thanks for your support!
    The WIDI Master is our first crowd created project, we are developing it by following our community requirements in parallel. As we mentioned in our pre-order page, the devlivery of first batch was planned around the end of May if everything goes well. So please be a bit patient, we will inform you via email when it is ready.
    Here is the timeline of the whole progress: https://www.cme-pro.com/widi-master-crowd-created-project/

  • @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @rs2000 said:
    It's been on pre-order for quite a while.
    When is it going to be delivered to customers?

    Thanks for your support!
    The WIDI Master is our first crowd created project, we are developing it by following our community requirements in parallel. As we mentioned in our pre-order page, the devlivery of first batch was planned around the end of May if everything goes well. So please be a bit patient, we will inform you via email when it is ready.
    Here is the timeline of the whole progress: https://www.cme-pro.com/widi-master-crowd-created-project/

    Thanks for the update!

  • @rs2000 said: Thanks for the update!

    You are welcome! :)

  • So my Novation Impulse 49 doesn’t supply enough voltage to power to my Yamaha MD-BT01. Same with this?

  • edited April 2020

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @McD said:

    "Hereby" eh? Not thereby, most assuredly, else one would reasonably consider defenestration for such a pallid affront to modern sensibilities. Good on thee, gentlewomen, forsooth.

  • @onkey said:
    So my Novation Impulse 49 doesn’t supply enough voltage to power to my Yamaha MD-BT01. Same with this?

    The WIDI Master support from 3.3v to 5v power from MIDI OUT DIN. I guess Yamaha only support 5v.

  • Old 5 pin midi!

  • @Jumpercollins said:
    Old 5 pin midi!

    Yes, it is desgined to add wireless feature on old 5 PIN MIDI devices. ;-)
    We also got some ideas from our potential user community, such as USB Host to Bluetooth MIDI, 4 Port Bluetooth MIDI HUB, and Pedal interface with Bluetooth MIDI etc. If you are interested, you can check this blog: https://www.cme-pro.com/beyond-bluetooth-midi-controllers-the-widi-family/

  • I hope the Widi PED3 is not the last on the list to be developed. That's the one I've been waiting for; nearly all the functionality of an IK Blueboard, but I'll be able to use my own footswitches etc.

  • edited April 2020

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Old 5 pin midi!

    Yes, it is desgined to add wireless feature on old 5 PIN MIDI devices. ;-)
    We also got some ideas from our potential user community, such as USB Host to Bluetooth MIDI, 4 Port Bluetooth MIDI HUB, and Pedal interface with Bluetooth MIDI etc. If you are interested, you can check this blog: https://www.cme-pro.com/beyond-bluetooth-midi-controllers-the-widi-family/

    aah, two important questions I forgot to ask:
    Up to what maximum distance do master and slave work reliably?
    What's the maximum rate of MIDI messages supported?
    I'm thinking about MIDI clock plus chords plus aftertouch, modwheel and pitch bend.

    I mean, the devices are powered by the relatively weak MIDI current loop so there must be a limit...

  • edited April 2020

    I ordered one so when it arrives I will let you all know what I think.

    Here is a less expensive alternative that works well with my Roland AX-1 Keytar. I have used it up to 3 meters away in line of site without issue.

    The keytar powers it fine and the two midi dongles can be separated so I just use the "out" going to my iPad for a synth module

    https://www.linkdelight.com/P0045560-Vangoa-Bluetooth-Wireless-BM-A01-5-PIN-MIDI-Adapter.html

  • @CME_WIDI_2020 said:
    This means that you now can connect all your MIDI hardware directly to each other. Without a computer. Without cables.
    https://www.cme-pro.com/how-to-connect-two-midi-hardware-via-wireless-bluetooth-midi/

    Cool. I need a pair of these just to avoid cables and extra adapters/converters.

    My latest buy is an Akai EWI USB so I'll need to get from USB to 5-pin to take advantage of this option or get the Yamaha USB to Bluetooth MIDI.

    Thank you for reaching into the forum with your support/marketing efforts. I hope you stay as these products ship and get new brothers and sisters.

  • @McD said:

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:
    This means that you now can connect all your MIDI hardware directly to each other. Without a computer. Without cables.
    https://www.cme-pro.com/how-to-connect-two-midi-hardware-via-wireless-bluetooth-midi/

    Cool. I need a pair of these just to avoid cables and extra adapters/converters.

    My latest buy is an Akai EWI USB so I'll need to get from USB to 5-pin to take advantage of this option or get the Yamaha USB to Bluetooth MIDI.

    Thank you for reaching into the forum with your support/marketing efforts. I hope you stay as these products ship and get new brothers and sisters.

    I've purchased the Yamaha UD-BT01 last week (seems to be out of stock now, make sure you get one fast!) and it works great. It will need USB power though - A small USB power bank works well.

  • It looks like the Yamaha BT01, but a little more versatile...I’d rather wait for production and pay full price after hearing some reviews though. This is interesting!

  • @rcf said:
    I hope the Widi PED3 is not the last on the list to be developed. That's the one I've been waiting for; nearly all the functionality of an IK Blueboard, but I'll be able to use my own footswitches etc.

    Thanks RCF! Welcome to join our FB group, if we get enough interest, we will start to develop it. In this way, we all save cost. :)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/CMEXkeyusers/

  • @rs2000 said:

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @Jumpercollins said:
    Old 5 pin midi!

    Yes, it is desgined to add wireless feature on old 5 PIN MIDI devices. ;-)
    We also got some ideas from our potential user community, such as USB Host to Bluetooth MIDI, 4 Port Bluetooth MIDI HUB, and Pedal interface with Bluetooth MIDI etc. If you are interested, you can check this blog: https://www.cme-pro.com/beyond-bluetooth-midi-controllers-the-widi-family/

    aah, two important questions I forgot to ask:
    Up to what maximum distance do master and slave work reliably?
    What's the maximum rate of MIDI messages supported?
    I'm thinking about MIDI clock plus chords plus aftertouch, modwheel and pitch bend.

    I mean, the devices are powered by the relatively weak MIDI current loop so there must be a limit...

    1) We tested in the office for 20 meters, and our CTO tested outside for 60 meters. Just for your reference.
    2) I am not the engineer, I was not clear about your question for maximum rate. We tested 300bpm with MTC or Clock plus 20 polyphony, the WIDI Master worked well.
    You can find more details from this blog: https://www.cme-pro.com/midi-cable-widi-master/

  • @ralis said:
    I ordered one so when it arrives I will let you all know what I think.

    Here is a less expensive alternative that works well with my Roland AX-1 Keytar. I have used it up to 3 meters away in line of site without issue.

    The keytar powers it fine and the two midi dongles can be separated so I just use the "out" going to my iPad for a synth module

    https://www.linkdelight.com/P0045560-Vangoa-Bluetooth-Wireless-BM-A01-5-PIN-MIDI-Adapter.html

    Thanks for your support!
    Yes, there were few great Bluetooth MIDI adapters on the marketing including Yamaha MD-BT01 and Quicco mi.1. The users who owned these 3rd party product asked us to implement our WIDI BUD Bluetooth Central role into a MIDI DIN form factor product, that is why we develop WIDI Master.
    Here is the timeline of this first corwd created project, you can have the full picture of this exciting project: https://www.cme-pro.com/widi-master-crowd-created-project/

  • @McD said:

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:
    This means that you now can connect all your MIDI hardware directly to each other. Without a computer. Without cables.
    https://www.cme-pro.com/how-to-connect-two-midi-hardware-via-wireless-bluetooth-midi/

    Cool. I need a pair of these just to avoid cables and extra adapters/converters.

    My latest buy is an Akai EWI USB so I'll need to get from USB to 5-pin to take advantage of this option or get the Yamaha USB to Bluetooth MIDI.

    Thank you for reaching into the forum with your support/marketing efforts. I hope you stay as these products ship and get new brothers and sisters.

    My big pleasure! We work with the community together to develop what they want and need. So please join our discuss and share more ideas, we will follow up accordingly.
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/CMEXkeyusers/

  • @3sleeves said:
    It looks like the Yamaha BT01, but a little more versatile...I’d rather wait for production and pay full price after hearing some reviews though. This is interesting!

    Thanks, we fully respect. In the meanwhile, you can also tell us what we should improve, and what new features you would like to have. We are trying a new way to do development with our community, we called it Crowd Creating, that means all user requriements will help us to deliver the most suitable product to you.
    Welcome to check this blog: https://www.cme-pro.com/music-is-about-listening-we-do-that/

  • @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @onkey said:
    So my Novation Impulse 49 doesn’t supply enough voltage to power to my Yamaha MD-BT01. Same with this?

    The WIDI Master support from 3.3v to 5v power from MIDI OUT DIN. I guess Yamaha only support 5v.

    Goodie :) And yes the Yamaha one needs 5v. They don’t warn you that your controller may not supply enough juice.

  • @onkey said:

    @CME_WIDI_2020 said:

    @onkey said:
    So my Novation Impulse 49 doesn’t supply enough voltage to power to my Yamaha MD-BT01. Same with this?

    The WIDI Master support from 3.3v to 5v power from MIDI OUT DIN. I guess Yamaha only support 5v.

    Goodie :) And yes the Yamaha one needs 5v. They don’t warn you that your controller may not supply enough juice.

    Good to know, thanks. Because many users asked to support 3.3v, so we added it for WIDI Master. That is the benefits of crowd created project. B)

  • Some prototype test videos for your reference:

  • edited November 2020

    Hi all. I am going to resurrect this thread, since I have some information about a new project which CME are crowd funding. I knew nothing about any of this before coming across Jordan Rudess’s short video which I found on Youtube - the link is in the previous post (pure coincidence).
    However there seems to be no information here about this new project, and I find it pretty exciting, because it would enable controllers which connect via USB to connect to Bluetooth equipped devices such as iPads, iPhones and Macs and PCs wirelessly but with only 3ms latency! And they have confirmed that it also handles MPE, which is vital to the new era of midi controllers which are starting to appear.

    I know from other forums that a lot of players have been wanting to go totally wireless, but I never considered Bluetooth midi a serious possibility due to the latency issues inherent to this technology.

    Disclaimer, I am not in any way affiliated to this company, but I am in contact with the CEO, since he is very open to feedback about suggestions for the implementation of this new design.
    Here is a direct link to the webpage, it’s called the WIDI Uhost:

    https://cme-pro.com/widi-uhost/

    I would like to see this in a smaller format with its own lite-ion battery, perhaps capable of charging both itself and an external controller, and these days that need not take up a great deal of space, and could be very lightweight. But what do you guys think of this?

  • @DSCB57 said:
    Hi all. I am going to resurrect this thread, since I have some information about a new project which CME are crowd funding. I knew nothing about any of this before coming across Jordan Rudess’s short video which I found on Youtube - the link is in the previous post (pure coincidence).
    However there seems to be no information here about this new project, and I find it pretty exciting, because it would enable controllers which connect via USB to connect to Bluetooth equipped devices such as iPads, iPhones and Macs and PCs wirelessly but with only 3ms latency! And they have confirmed that it also handles MPE, which is vital to the new era of midi controllers which are starting to appear.

    I know from other forums that a lot of players have been wanting to go totally wireless, but I never considered Bluetooth midi a serious possibility due to the latency issues inherent to this technology.

    Disclaimer, I am not in any way affiliated to this company, but I am in contact with the CEO, since he is very open to feedback about suggestions for the implementation of this new design.
    Here is a direct link to the webpage, it’s called the WIDI Uhost:

    https://cme-pro.com/widi-uhost/

    I would like to see this in a smaller format with its own lite-ion battery, perhaps capable of charging both itself and an external controller, and these days that need not take up a great deal of space, and could be very lightweight. But what do you guys think of this?

    Thanks DSCB57! The Bluetooth MIDI community is the key to make WIDI success. <3

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