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OT: Vent About Global Pandemic Management *HERE*

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  • @McD said:
    I wish someone close to the President could explain why hospital orders of masks have gone from 10,000 to 300,000. I suspect someone tried and just gave up trying.

    you heard the conference call President Trump had with the governors, his response to them saying "we need this" was " I haven't heard anything about anyone needing that"... Lmfao

    the people deserve the government we get because we do it to ourselves

  • @ExAsperis99 said:
    I don't know, man. A guy who describes himself as a "world-famous" surgeon who does weight-loss surgery and has written 13 books? "Please hit share on this video...."

    I have no doubt he has good intentions.

    But this guy, who's an ICU doc in NYC is on the front lines, and this video is TREMENDOUSLY helpful. And CALMING. You have to follow the link to Vimeo, but I promise it's worth your time.

    Yes. Mrs. G who is strung fairly high in the register of all that's holy found this guy very good juju etc.

  • New York Governor Cuomo this morning said this about the bidding war for ventilators: "It’s like being on eBay with 50 other states, bidding on a ventilator." States are competing in bidding wars against one another.

    A couple of minutes ago, a reporter asked Trump about Cuomo's comment, and he said that he hadn't heard it. He blamed Democrats for distracting the US from Covid-19 earlier this year with the impeachment trial. McConnell said the same earlier. Though, Trump, on February 10th, 5 days after he was cleared by the Senate, said that the virus will miraculously go away by April.

    700+ people in the US died from Covid-19 today, March 31 2020.

  • I’ve successfully ignored anything related to Trump for almost 3 years before this pundumbic.

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    Well, check out the Trumpodium today.100,000 200,000 dying. Everybody spread out and Birx scowling. How refreshing.

  • Hey guys.. Im getting info from certain people about this virus.. Its not a virus.. It could be Radiation poison from 5G.. which was started in Wu Han.. Birds are dying, so are trees... Now just read a new virus after Corona is coming out from Wu Han.. Sorry if this sounds like click bait.. But it maybe worth trying to check out 5G.... I found this on my FB video page.. It sounds feasable.. Maybe why Trump is doing nothing about it?... Dunno.... So i'll post Youtube, & you can make your own minds up.. I'm just sharing info with you guys....

  • @studs1966 : are you posting those as April Fools jokes?

  • @gregsmith & @espiegel123...... I would love to post this as a April Fool joke guys.. But this popped up on my Facebook page.. As this subject is about the Virus. I watched it, then I thought I'd share it... Not unless someone this video posted it as one April Fool joke?.. I did research on it a bit more.. It sounded feasible.. But until its all online, i couldn't say if those videos are true? (I'm not a Scientist, but nor are the people who say no it is safe.. But scientist did say its not safe years ago.. They wrote papers on it).. I don't know like all everyone else.. But this made sense... Either way, there's nothing we can do, & we have to deal with this anyway.. whether it a hoax or not.. Either way this is all scary shit... we will find out in the end...

  • @studs1966 : that first video is not feasible. I got about 2 minutes into it and it already is full of stuff that seems to be either a joke or conspiracy stuff written by people that don't believe in science. It proposes right off the bat that viruses can't make you sick.

  • @espiegel123 said:
    @studs1966 : that first video is not feasible. I got about 2 minutes into it and it already is full of stuff that seems to be either a joke or conspiracy stuff written by people that don't believe in science. It proposes right off the bat that viruses can't make you sick.

    Yes i agree with you.. (watched it again after i posted it)... But with all this madness & conspiracies going on. Plus locked indoors.. I'm more worried for our future generation of offspring (my kid, & everyone else's, & there children to come).. What happens today is there future to come.. Just hope there's a light at the tunnel mate?..

  • DON'T GET YOUR NEWS FROM FACEBOOK!

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    @kobamoto said:
    disbanding of a National Security Council unit focused on pandemic preparedness, you'd of thought that his base would have questioned their own votes over something like this but nah, as long as he keeps closing any doors that he thinks Obama opened he's good.

    we the people get the government we deserve and in several weeks time the sensation will be like watching a gatorade commercial

    yes.. with respect, i’m not really down with this ‘you get the government you deserve’ phrase that’s batted about.. it’s a bit like saying ‘you get the mugger you deserve’ or even ‘you get the murderer you deserve’.
    i agree with M. John Harrison .. who said in a relatively recent interview something like “ personal agency is a myth, a myth governments, the media and especially the internet sells you.. instead of falling for this weird idea the world is at your fingertips and turns around you, get out and attempt something that might change it. “
    or words to that effect..

    love the gatorade graphics though :)

  • I miss eating out. /rant

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  • So it seems that in order to be a Trump supporter, you have to completely forget what the Dear Leader said just this time last week, in order to pivot to whatever the latest stance is on the virus. The president can swing like a weathervane and his base just follows along.

    It's not difficult to imagine the treatment that Obama or Hilary would get if they were this insanely inconsistent, it would be hammered home 24/7 on Fox news. Every misstep would be dissected to death.

    And of course once the pandemic spreads more widely to the rest of the United States, who is going to get the blame? It won't be Trump, my guess is that the people that the right will blame will be: New Yorkers, and Cuomo, for allowing the virus to spread out of NY.

  • @richardyot said:
    So it seems that in order to be a Trump supporter, you have to completely forget what the Dear Leader said just this time last week, in order to pivot to whatever the latest stance is on the virus. The president can swing like a weathervane and his base just follows along.

    I dunno - the Democratic party hardcore seem to have the same ability. I think it's just a partisan thing. The same way that a lot of attacks on Bernie were because he was not a member of the Democratic party. Standard herd behavior - protect the leader, protect the party.

    Fascinated for example by all the Democratic party operatives/supporters who apparently now don't think that you should 'believe women' because a women accused Biden of sexual assault.

    I have a number of conservative friends, and I've noticed that one of the key differences are whether you identify as Republican, in which case they will defend any shit their party does - or Conservative, in which case they can be surprisingly critical of the Republicans. In the latter case I'll often hear for more critical comments from them than you might hear from liberal media such as MSNBC.

    As a socialist I can have interesting conversations with 'Conservatives', but find conversations with self-identified Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) largely a waste of time. I am obviously excluding libertarians from this who are never worth talking to about politics :wink:

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  • @cian said:

    @richardyot said:
    So it seems that in order to be a Trump supporter, you have to completely forget what the Dear Leader said just this time last week, in order to pivot to whatever the latest stance is on the virus. The president can swing like a weathervane and his base just follows along.

    I dunno - the Democratic party hardcore seem to have the same ability. I think it's just a partisan thing. The same way that a lot of attacks on Bernie were because he was not a member of the Democratic party. Standard herd behavior - protect the leader, protect the party.

    Fascinated for example by all the Democratic party operatives/supporters who apparently now don't think that you should 'believe women' because a women accused Biden of sexual assault.

    I have a number of conservative friends, and I've noticed that one of the key differences are whether you identify as Republican, in which case they will defend any shit their party does - or Conservative, in which case they can be surprisingly critical of the Republicans. In the latter case I'll often hear for more critical comments from them than you might hear from liberal media such as MSNBC.

    As a socialist I can have interesting conversations with 'Conservatives', but find conversations with self-identified Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) largely a waste of time. I am obviously excluding libertarians from this who are never worth talking to about politics :wink:

    I don't believe you're arguing in good faith. You can't refute a word @richardyot says, so instead you throw chum in the water and bring in sexual assault claims against Biden?

    It seems the only purpose you have in this thread is to deflect blows against Trump. Which is an odd position for a socialist to take.

  • Reminds me of the other guy in this discussion who called himself a libertarian.

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    @ExAsperis99 said:

    @cian said:

    @richardyot said:
    So it seems that in order to be a Trump supporter, you have to completely forget what the Dear Leader said just this time last week, in order to pivot to whatever the latest stance is on the virus. The president can swing like a weathervane and his base just follows along.

    I dunno - the Democratic party hardcore seem to have the same ability. I think it's just a partisan thing. The same way that a lot of attacks on Bernie were because he was not a member of the Democratic party. Standard herd behavior - protect the leader, protect the party.

    Fascinated for example by all the Democratic party operatives/supporters who apparently now don't think that you should 'believe women' because a women accused Biden of sexual assault.

    I have a number of conservative friends, and I've noticed that one of the key differences are whether you identify as Republican, in which case they will defend any shit their party does - or Conservative, in which case they can be surprisingly critical of the Republicans. In the latter case I'll often hear for more critical comments from them than you might hear from liberal media such as MSNBC.

    As a socialist I can have interesting conversations with 'Conservatives', but find conversations with self-identified Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) largely a waste of time. I am obviously excluding libertarians from this who are never worth talking to about politics :wink:

    I don't believe you're arguing in good faith. You can't refute a word @richardyot says, so instead you throw chum in the water and bring in sexual assault claims against Biden?

    It seems the only purpose you have in this thread is to deflect blows against Trump. Which is an odd position for a socialist to take.

    Actually that's not how I read @cian 's comment, I think he was just complaining about partisanship in general. And to be fair, I think the point about Biden is perfectly fair, he should be held up to the same standards as everyone else.

    However, from what I can see in online discussions, the right's denial of reality when it comes to this virus is on a far more epic scale than the left's. Very few left-wing voices have downplayed the situation, whereas some sections of the right are still in full-on denial, presumably because they see the virus as a threat to Trump.

  • When will enough Americans simply realise you have got a FAKE-President.

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    @cian said:

    @richardyot said:
    So it seems that in order to be a Trump supporter, you have to completely forget what the Dear Leader said just this time last week, in order to pivot to whatever the latest stance is on the virus. The president can swing like a weathervane and his base just follows along.

    I dunno - the Democratic party hardcore seem to have the same ability. I think it's just a partisan thing. The same way that a lot of attacks on Bernie were because he was not a member of the Democratic party. Standard herd behavior - protect the leader, protect the party.

    Fascinated for example by all the Democratic party operatives/supporters who apparently now don't think that you should 'believe women' because a women accused Biden of sexual assault.

    I have a number of conservative friends, and I've noticed that one of the key differences are whether you identify as Republican, in which case they will defend any shit their party does - or Conservative, in which case they can be surprisingly critical of the Republicans. In the latter case I'll often hear for more critical comments from them than you might hear from liberal media such as MSNBC.

    As a socialist I can have interesting conversations with 'Conservatives', but find conversations with self-identified Republicans (or Democrats for that matter) largely a waste of time. I am obviously excluding libertarians from this who are never worth talking to about politics :wink:

    I agree with a lot of this. It may be that Conservatives are describing themselves that way because of their principles. Republicans may be indirectly associating with conservatives but are tribe first. But there are partisan hacks on both sides For sure.

    I consider myself conservative first and there are few Republican leaders I admire or respect. With Trump, it’s a little more complicated. I certainly don’t agree with everything he’s done during his time in office, and if he’s going to fall from a wound it will be a self-inflicted one. However, I also completely tune out the attacks from the left on him. They’ve been trying to take him down with stupid shit so hard, for so long that they’re completely untrustworthy and a waste of time to listen to. He could find a cure for COVID tomorrow and the left would say he hates cancer victims.

    People accuse me occasionally of being a Trump lackey that will support him no matter what. I understand this perspective if you hate him. With Trump though, I’ve learned to watch what he does not what he says. 90% of what people hate about Trump is the stuff he says. They hate his personality. I don’t love it either, but I didn’t vote for him to sound good giving a speech. I elected him to put Americans first and drive specific outcomes to correct for past Democratic and Republican policies. And I believe he often says things to manipulate outcomes, and it’s part of his negotiating strategy. So far he’s not let me down. God help us should Biden take over next year. He can’t find his pants and is wondering how he got his oatmeal behind his ear.

  • @knewspeak said:
    When will enough Americans simply realise you have got a FAKE-President.

    The majority have known it for a long time. He became President with 3 million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. Our quaint form of government allowed him to be elected anyway.

    Sadly, that could well happen again -- especially since there is a good chance that the pandemic will hamper the political campaign.

    @richardyot et al -- complaints about strident partisanship in the U.S. IF they imply a sort of both-sidesism are (in my opinion) either naive or disengenuous. The Republican Party in the U.S. has been stridently opposed to any policies supported by the Democrats (for the sake of partisanship) for over a decade. They were clear when Obama was elected that they would oppose his policies independent of their merit as they wanted to deny him a second-term.

    The GOP is open that in order to maintain power, they need to discourage voting and limit voting rights. They are in favor of cruel treatment of immigrants and asylum seekers -- at a time of historically low immigration.

    Sure the Democrats are not perfect, but the degrees of imperfection are matters of large and not small scale.

  • @robertreynolds said:
    People accuse me occasionally of being a Trump lackey that will support him no matter what. I understand this perspective if you hate him. With Trump though, I’ve learned to watch what he does not what he says. 90% of what people hate about Trump is the stuff he says. They hate his personality. I don’t love it either, but I didn’t vote for him to sound good giving a speech. I elected him to put Americans first and drive specific outcomes to correct for past Democratic and Republican policies.

    You know, when Trump was first elected I did wonder if he was going to follow through on some of the promises he made about reviving manufacturing in the Midwest, and rebuilding infrastructure etc... IMO these would have been good outcomes, and would have made many people's lives better. But instead he just gave tax cuts to the already rich and forgot about the rest of his programme.

    I don't instinctively hate Trump, I personally thought the Russia accusations were ridiculous for example, but actually his actions have been for the most part disappointing. His handling of this crisis so far has been laughable.

    BTW I'm not trying to bait you with this comment, I'm engaging in good faith, I hope you can see that. So I'm curious, what would you cite as examples of some of Trump's actions that have been beneficial?

    Personally I would argue that the deficit spending, even though it was terribly implemented, was beneficial to the US economy. Had it been directed at lower-income groups the benefits would have been even greater IMO.

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