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OT: Good article about tech manufacturing in China

Sorry, I know it's off topic, and there's been plenty of that lately. But I learned a lot from this article, and I also thought it seemed thorough and level-headed.

https://apnews.com/3f9a92b8dfd3cae379b57622dd801dd5

Comments

  • Very appreciated, I've wanted more info on this.

  • I just want to say that last week or so I became aware of that because on a national channel on the news that was referred. It was just a brief title on the bottom of the screen saying that Apple and some others were profiting from slave work in China being the Uighurs the victims.
    I see no angry people nor flame wars about that. I’m to blame for, we all are.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2020

    We’re complicit, but the Chinese government is to blame if the article is accurate ... possibly the companies as well. But as the article notes, all the companies that responded to inquiries said they are investigating, and all claim to have programs in place at least to try. I don’t know if one can assume they try hard, but one can assume that there are many ways for an all controlling government to ensure they only see what the government wants them to see.

    It’s a complicated issue. Not everything about the expansion of world commerce into China is bad. In fact, overall, it’s probably the best thing to happen in the last few decades. I hate to imagine what would happen to the Chinese people in general if there was a mass exodus of international manufacturing.

    Sensationalist headlines don’t help much, but it got my attention. I felt the article was educational and balanced, despite the headline. There are bad actors everywhere and always have been. Levelheaded education for blissfully ignorant people such as me is the only, though painfully slow, route to change.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2020

    BTW, if the Chinese government is acting with prejudice against the Uighur people, this would be happening whether or not there is any tech manufacturing. Would boycotting help? Possibly, but I don’t really think so. Should it be done on principle? Probably. But it’s complicated. At least there is the possibility of some level of transparency with outside presence. Compare North Korea, for instance.

    OK, apologies to anyone who gets annoyed at OT threads. I’ll try not to keep bumping it for my part.

  • @wim said:
    … There are bad actors everywhere and always have been. …

    You talking about David Bowie?

  • Reminds me of the madatory military training we had in Yugoslavia, later in Croatia but for shorter periods.
    Comunist Yugoslavia consisted of 6 nationalities, three religions and all throughout the post ww2/cold war period, after finishing high school, men would have to spend a year in military training and would be shipped to different parts of the country mixed up with guys from different cultures, speaking different languages. Many people from those generations have fond memories of the times spent preparing for war. When you hear these stories its kinda like the funny parts of Full metal jacket meets National Lampoons collage movies.
    Come the 90s, the iron curtain falls, so does Yugoslavia, all hell breaks loose. Its amazing how fast people remembered the training and how to assemble/load/shoot their weapons and forgot the friendships and the camaraderie they shared as kids, now men, ready to kill each other.

    So, this article makes me wonder if the war would have been as bloody as it was if they were all soldering transistors for Philips or stacking 9V battries into remote controls while being forcefully integrated into the socialist regime as youngsters.

  • @NemanzgbKaj said:
    Reminds me of the madatory military training we had in Yugoslavia, later in Croatia but for shorter periods.
    Comunist Yugoslavia consisted of 6 nationalities, three religions and all throughout the post ww2/cold war period, after finishing high school, men would have to spend a year in military training and would be shipped to different parts of the country mixed up with guys from different cultures, speaking different languages. Many people from those generations have fond memories of the times spent preparing for war. When you hear these stories its kinda like the funny parts of Full metal jacket meets National Lampoons collage movies.
    Come the 90s, the iron curtain falls, so does Yugoslavia, all hell breaks loose. Its amazing how fast people remembered the training and how to assemble/load/shoot their weapons and forgot the friendships and the camaraderie they shared as kids, now men, ready to kill each other.

    So, this article makes me wonder if the war would have been as bloody as it was if they were all soldering transistors for Philips or stacking 9V battries into remote controls while being forcefully integrated into the socialist regime as youngsters.

    The answer is much simpler, maybe we should just stop teaching our kids to kill.

  • wimwim
    edited March 2020

    No way. Murder and Slaughter lessons were some of the best quality time I got to spend with my kids. I wouldn’t give up those memories for anything.

  • @wim said:
    No way. Murder and Slaughter lessons some of the best quality time I got to spend with my kids. I wouldn’t give up those memories for anything.

    If only it was that easy, mass entertainment industry, TV, Video Games, Cinema, Internet.........

  • @wim
    I hate to imagine what would happen to the Chinese people in general if there was a mass exodus of international manufacturing.

    Think about South Korea, in terms of powerty and low life standards. That would happen.

  • @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:
    No way. Murder and Slaughter lessons some of the best quality time I got to spend with my kids. I wouldn’t give up those memories for anything.

    If only it was that easy, mass entertainment industry, TV, Video Games, Cinema, Internet.........

    I dunno. No one ever taught my cat to kill and we’ve done our best to keep him off the Internet and the game console, and pretty much only allow Mr. Sesame Street on the TV. Yet, for some reason, he’s still quite enjoys, and is very very good at, killing.

  • @wim said:

    @knewspeak said:

    @wim said:
    No way. Murder and Slaughter lessons some of the best quality time I got to spend with my kids. I wouldn’t give up those memories for anything.

    If only it was that easy, mass entertainment industry, TV, Video Games, Cinema, Internet.........

    I dunno. No one ever taught my cat to kill and we’ve done our best to keep him off the Internet and the game console, and pretty much only allow Mr. Sesame Street on the TV. Yet, for some reason, he’s still quite enjoys, and is very very good at, killing.

    Your cats pretty tame, it’s still not learned the power of mass marketing yet.

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