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Devs have to pay an additional 42% when customers get a refund. Is this true?
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I always buy my apps in triplicate to support the devs /s
I’ve return a few apps in my time for one reason or another
No shame felt.. lol at the thought of that
This is business not personal
The system will always be gamed tho by a few, this is true for everything in life
Unpopular opinion: research before you buy, don’t ask a refund unless a product simply doesn’t work as advertised.
The refund system isn’t meant to be used as a surrogate for try-before-you-buy.
Some days I see up to 25% of my sales refunded and it irritates me to no end.
Piss off, you’re annoying me now.
Flag that.
Weird. My son was telling me last night how there was an abnormally high breakout of irritable people yesterday in the retail store where he works (one customer even injured a poor elderly lady employee checking receipts at the door and had to be arrested). Then I wake up to two big-ass threads with people at eachother’s throats.
Must be sunspots or somethin’. 🧐
Yes, this is how I see it. The whole App Store thing is not something I can relate to other kinds of business, it just is what it is. Apple doesn't have it set up for consumers to "try before you buy." If people don't like that, then they're free to not participate in the App Store experience. They shouldn't get to make up their own rules for how they want to use it. Do the research. If one doesn't want to take the chance that the app isn't the best choice for them, then just don't buy it. I never return anything unless it simply doesn't work, and I can't even remember that happening.
I was just going to ask if it’s a full moon!
You wouldn’t know how often people want a refund for something they could have read in the app store description. I mean.. if you can’t even be bothered to read the first 4 lines of text you’re just incredibly lazy.
One time someone gave me a1-star review because I refused to paypal him his money back. He didn’t want to go to apple to request a refund and expected me to arrange it for him.
These things just make me weep for the sad state of ‘our’ society these days.
+1
Also worth bearing in mind Apple aren’t writing off their costs in dealing with refunds. Even though they don’t charge developers for specific refunds, you can’t bet they’ve factored it into their commission rates.
I’m staggered I’ve spent most of today arguing that getting refunds for working apps is a bad thing, and getting shouted down for it. I hate the word, but ‘entitled’ springs to mind.
No, it has been stated before: if you don’t want to play by Apple’s rules you’re free to not use the App Store at all. You don’t get to make your own rules.
This kills me but inspired me to go through and write some reviews to offset the idiocy that’s out there.
Can we compare different kinds of businesses? Returning a physical item as opposed to a downloadable app? Trying to see it from Apple's perspective, it seems they could have a lot of overhead if it was too easy for people to "return" their purchase for a refund, not to mention the outright abuses of that system possible.
So ,on topic , @brambos since you stepped in , could you kindly confirm if refund actually costs a developer money ?
I always assumed it did. Apple’s reports are really cryptic because of the tier-system. Prices differ for every country and you only get to see totals for refunded sales.
If an app misrepresents itself or doesn't work as planned — or is simply unusable by any individual consumer for whatever reason — a refund is fine. (If you get a refund and then keep using the app with no intent of repurchasing, that's theft.)
But I also think that refunds are part of the system, and it's built into the cost of doing business.
Now, Apple sits in the USA, where the rights of people, compared to those of companies and the government, are very low. Which is a sad thing.
It should be illegal for Apple to keep this 30%, of course.
Everything else just reminds of the Mafia.
Please note that I only read the first few postings of this thread.
It’s not a ‘workaround’, as I’ve explained to you countless times today. Refunds are for apps that don’t work, not for you to ‘try before you buy’.
Troll.
The only app I got a refund on which I've kept on my device is Cubasis. I don't actually use it except to listen to the recordings I made with it, but this is a good reminder to get them off the iPad so I can delete it.
I got a refund on that because they don't fix the major bugs and just flog new IAP disguised as updates.
Every company, in every country in the world, has a distribution model where each entity in that chain gets part of the sale. The company typically sells to a distributor. The distributor typically sells to a retailer. The retailer sells to the customer. Distributors generally get about a 40% discount from the company. Retailers generally get about a 30% discount from the Distributor. You pay the difference.
It’s no different than Apple’s system, except they are one-tier. Developers aren’t forced to participate in such a model.
This has nothing to do with countries, companies vs. the people, or anything else. It’s just business. IMO, 30% seems exorbitant for what the App Store does, but the bottom line is, Apple is providing a product, and consumers (developers) are deciding whether that product benefits them or not.
No need to bring class warfare into this.
[edit] BTW, Amazon, EBay, Etsy, etc. are similar models but with different infrastructure. They all keep a portion of sales to finance their operations and make a profit. (Lot smaller than 30% too!)
@MonzoPro
I’ve never seen EyeOhEss change his views based on reasoned argument, so you might as well just save bandwidth, spare yourself the aggro and leave him to it.
I learned that the hard way.
Of course?? And government should decide how much they do get to keep? And if Apple decides that what the government decides isn’t enough to make it worthwhile, should they be forced to continue that business? Or what, go to jail?
Sorry, I’m not following the logic here. I’ll read with an open mind if you decide to respond, but decline to get into a debate. -peace.
Thanks guys - lesson learned!