Doug Woods Could Use Our Help / Doug Speaks

edited June 10 in Off-topic

Doug @thesoundtestroom did not post this on the forum. I hope he does not mind if I do. He is of such great service to us and such a great guy. I thought you all should know.

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  • edited June 8

    Life can be quite hard these days...
    I’ve joined Patreon last August just to support Doug a bit and every month I feel happy when PayPal send a message that the transaction was done.

    Up to now I just spend one Euro in a month but after this video I will double my engagement. I think it is worth to support Doug because he is a good guy and he do a lot for the community, so why not help him if we can?

    And honestly, Doug already prevents me to spend money in Apps I don’t need because of his reviews. So I saved money because of his work. One day I won a promo code for a nice app in one of his Patreon Videos.

    All the Patreon money I invested to Doug I got already back! What a good deal for me and Doug! 😊

    So if you have a € or $ left in a month, just do it, become a Patreon for Doug!
    You can only win and you get good Karma! 👍😊

  • Thanks for your comment @chandroji. You put it way better than I ever could.

  • edited June 8

    @LinearLineman said:
    Thanks for your comment @chandroji. You put it way better than I ever could.

    I can it even better if I could use German words to explain what I think! English is always difficult for me.
    But sometimes a picture can say more than words that’s why I love to photograph... 😊

    I love people who bring some happiness in the world... 😊
    Doug is one of these people, that’s why I’m supporting him!

    👍

  • Think of all the trouble one can get into online, as well as IRL. If thesoundtestroom has helped keep us out of mischief, and saved our nastiness for the filters and oscillators... consider all the legal fees saved! (Could be thousands, in my case). If the devil makes use of idle hands, then conversely Doug must be our App Angel! 😊🌻

  • edited June 8

    I meet this street musician in South India and his music was wonderful.
    It was a pleasure for me to support this nice guy with a little bit money!

    I think most of us have enough money to help some of our friends... 😊

    So, enough photos from me tonight... 😎

  • edited June 8

    @LinearLineman said:
    More photos @chandroji!

    Ok...

    Last Doug Bitte nicht im Regen stehen!

    Let's not leave Doug standing alone in the rain...

    Let the sun shine! 😊

    And Rock!

    😊

    Do something nice! 👍

  • I really like your photos!
    Bravo👌👌.

  • edited June 8

    @flo26 said:
    I really like your photos!
    Bravo👌👌.

    Thanks a lot for compliment!
    Here are some photos for you... 😊

    Do you have the Blues?

    With a little help from our friends...

    Everything is possible! 😊

  • @chandroji said:

    @LinearLineman said:
    Thanks for your comment @chandroji. You put it way better than I ever could.

    I can it even better if I could use German words to explain what I think! English is always difficult for me.
    But sometimes a picture can say more than words that’s why I love to photograph... 😊

    I love people who bring some happiness in the world... 😊
    Doug is one of these people, that’s why I’m supporting him!

    👍

    Yep. Doug is great. I made a donation.

  • edited June 9

    👍

  • Wonder if he’s considered giving piano lessons? He has better playing chops than a friend of mine who makes good money doing this...

    Also there’s the library music/beats sites that can provide income from music in various ways..

  • Thanks, guys. I hope more of you who profit by Doug’s efforts will help him out.

  • edited June 9

    @LinearLineman said:
    Thanks, guys. I hope more of you who profit by Doug’s efforts will help him out.

    Hopefully he can figure out a way to not need to make videos like this. He mentions April and December being hard for him every year. I’m not sure what happens at those times each year but perhaps he could work gradually through the year on a bunch of iOS app patch packs and sample packs from his hardware and set those packs aside to sell when he’s short a few $. The same people giving him money now would buy those....Could also ask devs for app codes and run some kind of ‘submit your music’ competitions that cost a buck or two to enter... Might make it less awkward for him than having to do these kind of generosity appeal vids every few months.

    If I was him I’d definitely go the Piano Lessons route though. If he advertised locally as something like ‘piano lessons from a friendly, seasoned and esteemed professional with over 30,000 YouTube followers and a long history of composition and performance’ then he’d surely get a few regular clients...

  • @EyeOhEss, I know your intentions are good, but I think Doug must have thought every option through and that these appeals are a last resort given his health problems and other difficulties.
    It is a humbling experience to have to make such appeals, but it would not be necessary if more of those who profited by his good natured and erudite presentations would simply pay for his valuable demos. Frankly, it is a predilection, IMO that iOS users expect a lot of freebies. I know a lot of users are strapped financially, as am I, but, hey, a dollar or two a month? Come on.

    I know that whenever I want an unbiased app review Doug is always there. Every single app!
    Without those I would buy things that do not work for me or I would not buy useful tools.
    It is not for us to try to orchestrate Doug's life. It is simply to recognize our debt to him and pay for value received,

  • @LinearLineman said:
    @EyeOhEss, I know your intentions are good, but I think Doug must have thought every option through and that these appeals are a last resort given his health problems and other difficulties.
    It is a humbling experience to have to make such appeals, but it would not be necessary if more of those who profited by his good natured and erudite presentations would simply pay for his valuable demos. Frankly, it is a predilection, IMO that iOS users expect a lot of freebies. I know a lot of users are strapped financially, as am I, but, hey, a dollar or two a month? Come on.

    I know that whenever I want an unbiased app review Doug is always there. Every single app!
    Without those I would buy things that do not work for me or I would not buy useful tools.
    It is not for us to try to orchestrate Doug's life. It is simply to recognize our debt to him and pay for value received,

    Sorry but if someone is asking for donations in a world where there are almost infinite good/needy causes and only so much spare change to go around....I think it’s fair enough to offer some ideas/advice on other Options that might have been prematurely written off. As many good/needy causes simply do not have other options, at all... I’m not trying to ‘orchestrate his life’, that’s quite an uncalled for thing to imply when I was just trying to help the guy to avoid having to make these kind of repeated appeals...

    I only mentioned those ideas like packs and competitions etc as in the video Doug says he doesn’t have time for anything else like sample packs or patch packs etc. But if he spent just like 3 hours per week on them in spare moments, with April and December in mind, and stockpiled them for hard times...then I’m sure it’s a totally feasible possibility. Sounds like his health doesn’t allow him to do much else other than music and his videos don’t strike me as taking 9-5, 5 days a week. I’m just saying some extra work in small but consistent doses often leads to almost effortless reward over a long period of time and would give him things to trade for people’s generosity, which would probably make him feel better in himself about making these kind of appeals, at least it would for me.

    As for implying people should feel obliged to pay for dougs videos. That’s pretty subjective. He gets free apps (and some hardware it seems) and half the time his videos are made without really learning how to use the apps ;) Which can be amusing but also frustrating to watch if you’re in a hurry and/or looking for concise/thorough info delivery...I do think he offers a service though, often quick to give a peek/overview at new stuff and seems like a nice guy. I wish him well :) But if I felt obliged to pay everyone that ever showed me something useful online I’d be in pretty bad shape ;) Of course if someone is getting a heap of help and learning resources etc from Dougs videos in particular then for sure, it’s a nice touch to drop him some bucks. In that case I’d even go as far as to say only one or two bucks per month is kind of cheap, you misers! <— kidding ;)

  • I did not mean to offend you @EyeOhEss. Thank you for elaborating. I just wish the best for Doug and do not feel it unreasonable that he request our help. Unlike many presenters on YouTube he is a valuable part of our forum community and deserves our support. Actually, for me, his videos are perfect as they often demonstrate the sound the app is capable of.

    I must also reiterate that he has health challenges which may not allow him to pursue options that might readily come to mind. It is indeed hard to put yourself in another's shoes.

  • edited June 9

    @LinearLineman said:
    I did not mean to offend you @EyeOhEss. Thank you for elaborating. I just wish the best for Doug and do not feel it unreasonable that he request our help. Unlike many presenters on YouTube he is a valuable part of our forum community and deserves our support. Actually, for me, his videos are perfect as they often demonstrate the sound the app is capable of.

    I must also reiterate that he has health challenges which may not allow him to pursue options that might readily come to mind. It is indeed hard to put yourself in another's shoes.

    I have a lot of sympathy for the guy and genuinely hope he can work it all out so things aren’t such a struggle. Life can truly be a bitch and often without warning....it’s never nice to see people in bad times or visit them oneself. Best of luck to him with everything.

    I understand your point and agree, it’s impossible to put yourself in another’s shoes. My advice/ideas were coming from the equally true ‘sometimes you need an outside perspective/fresh set of ears’ and occasionally re-evaluate previously dismissed options ;) They were just suggestions though, obviously if health makes those kind of options impossible then it’s a brick wall and it sucks that he isn’t getting the help he needs in that case from the government.

  • Another idea...Merch?

    Don’t know if he’s already got some out there but stuff like t-shirts and stickers etc maybe?

    Looking at the responses in the video there’s a ton of good will out there for Doug :) I’m sure some people would buy a sound test room T-shirt or a phone case etc... I’d be happy to try and help him out with couple of potential designs for for free if he wanted..

    Just seems like for someone with that kind of audience size, there should be some un-exhausted options to bring in some extra bucks in hard times, would takes some planning ahead and setting up though. And then just hit it super hard with those new releases and marketing for sales in April and December in those hard months..

  • Thanks @EyeOhEss, perhaps your suggestions will help.

  • Just a reminder that there is a link in the video for one off donation for anyone who doesn’t wish to make a monthly payment.
    I’m inclined to agree with the sentiment of @EyeOhEss in many ways. There has to be other opportunities for Doug to make money from his talents. I had many months ago suggested to Doug that he do one to one tuition for iOS music makers- I can’t quite remember why it wasn’t suitable- anyway I would like to add, I think the implication in the suggestion was a ‘live’ Skype like tutorial- but it could even be done as. 1) Request Tutorial 2) Doug sends quote 3) Payment is made 4) Tutorial is made and sent. Job done.
    Say roughly ten a week at an average of eg £20 per 15 minute video would be about... £8000 per year.

    I’m sure there are plenty of people wanting to progress in iOS music making who would rather shell out a few tenners for some expert specific guidance than scratch their heads looking for a manual that doesn’t exist (and yes- even with this forum in existance)

  • @robosardine said:
    Just a reminder that there is a link in the video for one off donation for anyone who doesn’t wish to make a monthly payment.
    I’m inclined to agree with the sentiment of @EyeOhEss in many ways. There has to be other opportunities for Doug to make money from his talents. I had many months ago suggested to Doug that he do one to one tuition for iOS music makers- I can’t quite remember why it wasn’t suitable- anyway I would like to add, I think the implication in the suggestion was a ‘live’ Skype like tutorial- but it could even be done as. 1) Request Tutorial 2) Doug sends quote 3) Payment is made 4) Tutorial is made and sent. Job done.
    Say roughly ten a week at an average of eg £20 per 15 minute video would be about... £8000 per year.

    I’m sure there are plenty of people wanting to progress in iOS music making who would rather shell out a few tenners for some expert specific guidance than scratch their heads looking for a manual that doesn’t exist (and yes- even with this forum in existance)

    Good ideas :)

    Maybe even a Quarterly digital or ‘print to order’ physical zine listing and discussing all significant apps released in those months? No ones going to have checked out as many apps as Doug or have as much experience ;) It’s these kind of little money makers that wouldn’t be successful if it was done by anyone else, but for Doug people clearly would be happy to purchase if they knew it was helping him out..

    It’s easy to see in the video he hates having to ask for straight out donations...Maybe shaking the old brain jar and re-evaluating things like these suggestions could help him not have to make another one :)

  • @EyeOhEss said:
    Another idea...Merch?

    Don’t know if he’s already got some out there but stuff like t-shirts and stickers etc maybe?

    Looking at the responses in the video there’s a ton of good will out there for Doug :) I’m sure some people would buy a sound test room T-shirt or a phone case etc... I’d be happy to try and help him out with couple of potential designs for for free if he wanted..

    Just seems like for someone with that kind of audience size, there should be some un-exhausted options to bring in some extra bucks in hard times, would takes some planning ahead and setting up though. And then just hit it super hard with those new releases and marketing for sales in April and December in those hard months..

    Merchandising is a good idea. Using a site like Redbubble, all you have to do is upload a graphic, and it’s then available on a range of products. They do all the work, and you get a commission.

    Need a new mouse mat? T-shirt? iPhone case? Get a Soundtestroom branded one and help Doug in the process.

    https://www.redbubble.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5_iU1Kjc4gIVCrDtCh2XVAL5EAAYASAAEgJrx_D_BwE

  • With respect to Doug, I will not give details of his situation. But let me make this perfectly clear. If he could do otherwise he would not ask for our help. There is absolutely no shame in his asking, but it still is humbling and embarrassing. I have been pretty humbled myself and it is very painful. But being humbled does not mean unbowed. Doug has every right, IMO, to act as he sees fit. Those who value him and his wellbeing will help, if they are able, with donations.

    Btw, he was not going to post his plea on this forum or any other. He is indeed unbowed.
    Again, consider the loss to all of us if he were forced to terminate his reviews.

  • edited June 9

    @LinearLineman said:
    With respect to Doug, I will not give details of his situation. But let me make this perfectly clear. If he could do otherwise he would not ask for our help. There is absolutely no shame in his asking, but it still is humbling and embarrassing. I have been pretty humbled myself and it is very painful. But being humbled does not mean unbowed. Doug has every right, IMO, to act as he sees fit. Those who value him and his wellbeing will help, if they are able, with donations.

    Btw, he was not going to post his plea on this forum or any other. He is indeed unbowed.
    Again, consider the loss to all of us if he were forced to terminate his reviews.

    I think that people making suggestions ‘are’ considering the loss if he were forced to terminate his reviews.

    Self-sufficiency has to be the most appealing and stable Long-term solution and setting up some little pot-boiler type income streams to unleash during those hard months seems like a good way to take advantage of having a large audience and their goodwill toward him without him needing to make these kind of appeals that he visibly doesn’t like to have to share.

    Setting up on Redbubble for merch like @monzopro says is almost effortless for example. And making sample/patch packs over long time periods is relatively easy and totally feasible too. Just some revenue streams that he could look in to if it’d make him feel better to say ‘hey I’m struggling at the moment so it’s that time of year again, please check out all my new stuff for sale if you wanna help me out and snag yourself some sweet merch and/or production fodder in the process’ :)

    Obviously none of this will help right now though so hopefully he gets donations to help him out of this spot. But it’s stuff he should definitely reevaluate for future... It all adds up :)

  • edited June 9

    Always need discussing your arguments with 1000+ words @EyeOhEss ?

    I think you miss completely the Point but I’m not here to discuss it.

    I’m really happy that my intentions here in this thread are completely different than yours... 😊

    As I said, life can be hard these days. Even for people who work hard and trying to do their best. If I can give some help when they ask for I will do it...

    Peace! 🙏

    I would sing a song for Doug if I could... 😊

  • @chandroji said:
    Always need discussing your arguments with 1000+ words @EyeOhEss ?

    I think you miss completely the Point but I’m not here to discuss it.

    I’m really happy that my intentions here in this thread are completely different than yours... 😊

    As I said, life can be hard these days. Even for people who work hard and trying to do their best. If I can give some help when they ask for I will do it...

    Peace! 🙏

    I would sing a song for Doug if I could... 😊

    Why are you trying to bring unnecessary bad vibes in to a thread where people are rallying to offer ideas and help?

    And then you sign off with ‘Peace’?!? That’s some very conflicted spirituality you’ve got going on there!

    But no worries, whatever makes you feel good!

    Have a good Sunday :)

  • An audiobus member (digital) mix tape, all money donated to the doug ?

  • edited June 9

    A gift is giving people what they need. Not what you think they need. And before anyone trots out “if you give a man a fish...”, let us stay with comments similar to when @Michael asked for reviews.... “will do”, “just posted”, “5 stars” “Should have done this already”, “Done”.

  • Patreon is a legit way to make money for your work. It's not simply charity, and Doug shouldn't be made to feel like it is. He provides something useful to many people and to iOS music-making in general. That's a transaction between him and buyers, and not really even the business of those who aren't involved. I'm happy to pay for it. It's a good deal for what I get out it, and it's also nice the money goes to a worthy cause.

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