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Why can’t we all just get along?

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  • simonnowissimonnowis

    @j33z

    the 'energy' i talk of is Life energy, the space we inhabit, how does it feel?

    i see it in the words e-volution (a spiral of e) and e-motion (the movement of e)

    this 'e' i call energy, and it could be this energy is electric (is electricity conscious? is consciousness electric?)

    the closest con-scientific equivalent would be the work of Dr. Wilhelm Reich, and his orgone, with it's counter, deadly orgone.

    :)

    informed action - a great idea, but informed? how have we been innerformed? and what action to take?

    i feel one of the issues of this world is not of people caring and acting too little but of people caring and acting too much

    it seems people are easily spooked into action, opening us up to abuse and foolish fighting on the streets.

    so what action to take?

    "Was I supposed to praise my Lord,
    Make some kind of joyful sound    ?"

    (these words called out to me from Leonard Cohen's the butcher)

    for the record, i don't believe in a big 'bang' leading to entropy, i see Universe as a seed, growing outwards and onwards

    and i still maintain that optimism is a choice, a decision at how to face the world, not an easy choice for sure, but a choice non the less :)

  • J33ZJ33Z
    edited February 2019

    @RUST( i )K said:
    Spiritual problems cannot be solved by man or chemicals.

    Money or things.

    Music at least gives me the insight to determine what things are not.

    At least on the inside..

    Music does that for me, too.

    @LinearLineman said:
    I think @DefRobot's question requires examination. One truth is we all do get along. In fact, much better than one might imagine in a world of seven billions. It's amazing that we manage what we do. Sure you can say the twentieth was the bloodiest ever, but probably not by percentage of global populace...and we are still here. Most societies function to a degree. Empires rise and fall, as always. Looks like those myriads in China are coming to bat... Again.

    Why are zombies such a fad? Because zombies represent our greatest fear... What happens when we don't get along.

    Can it be better in our fantasies? Of course. But for most of us just keeping the zombies under control is enough. Just sayin'.
    You know I love the love stuff.

    There is a lot of truth in your zombie analogy.
    Love will save us, and the zombies.
    Dont forget they are humans, too.

    @kobamoto said:
    there are desperate people but not everyone is desperate. you can look at evil as a disease if you want but what do you do with a disease.. you cure it, cut it out, quarantine it, or let it destroy you.
    the main problem facing society is that we believe in good people, and the goodness of people but are in complete denial of bad people who get up every morning with the desire to figure out the best way to touch you with their hate.

    A good doctor will remove the cause of the disease. Or at least help you to do it yourself.
    You can not kill all unhappy people to make the world a happy place. It just doesnt work like that.

  • J33ZJ33Z

    @simonnowis said:
    @j33z

    the 'energy' i talk of is Life energy, the space we inhabit, how does it feel?

    i see it in the words e-volution (a spiral of e) and e-motion (the movement of e)

    this 'e' i call energy, and it could be this energy is electric (is electricity conscious? is consciousness electric?)

    the closest con-scientific equivalent would be the work of Dr. Wilhelm Reich, and his orgone, with it's counter, deadly orgone.

    :)

    I never heard of it. Im going to read into that.

    There are biologists like Joseph H. Reichholf, who says that our brain is a dialogic organ, which has to engage with the surounding world in order to keep the organism alive. So our conciousness is always translocated to the outside to a certain extend. There are certain conditions of the brain in which no information is getting in, and the conciousness is quasi expanded to the outside into the infinite.
    We are getting into the realm of the mystic here.

    informed action - a great idea, but informed? how have we been innerformed? and what action to take?

    i feel one of the issues of this world is not of people caring and acting too little but of people caring and acting too much

    The problems i listed indicate that this is not true at all.

    it seems people are easily spooked into action, opening us up to abuse and foolish fighting on the streets.

    There can be peaceful protest. People have shown that this is possible. Following their example we can try to change the world.

    so what action to take?

    As consumers we make choices every day.
    Eat less meat, drive less vehicles that use fossil fuels, support the protection of the environment, protest for peace when politicians tell us that we need to go to war to keep the peace.

    "Was I supposed to praise my Lord,
    Make some kind of joyful sound    ?"

    (these words called out to me from Leonard Cohen's the butcher)

    for the record, i don't believe in a big 'bang' leading to entropy, i see Universe as a seed, growing outwards and onwards

    and i still maintain that optimism is a choice, a decision at how to face the world, not an easy choice for sure, but a choice non the less :)

    I think that we have much less freedom than most of us would acknowledge.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @J33Z said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    Spiritual problems cannot be solved by man or chemicals.

    Money or things.

    Music at least gives me the insight to determine what things are not.

    At least on the inside..

    Music does that for me, too.

    @LinearLineman said:
    I think @DefRobot's question requires examination. One truth is we all do get along. In fact, much better than one might imagine in a world of seven billions. It's amazing that we manage what we do. Sure you can say the twentieth was the bloodiest ever, but probably not by percentage of global populace...and we are still here. Most societies function to a degree. Empires rise and fall, as always. Looks like those myriads in China are coming to bat... Again.

    Why are zombies such a fad? Because zombies represent our greatest fear... What happens when we don't get along.

    Can it be better in our fantasies? Of course. But for most of us just keeping the zombies under control is enough. Just sayin'.
    You know I love the love stuff.

    There is a lot of truth in your zombie analogy.
    Love will save us, and the zombies.
    Dont forget they are humans, too.

    @kobamoto said:
    there are desperate people but not everyone is desperate. you can look at evil as a disease if you want but what do you do with a disease.. you cure it, cut it out, quarantine it, or let it destroy you.
    the main problem facing society is that we believe in good people, and the goodness of people but are in complete denial of bad people who get up every morning with the desire to figure out the best way to touch you with their hate.

    A good doctor will remove the cause of the disease. Or at least help you to do it yourself.
    You can not kill all unhappy people to make the world a happy place. It just doesnt work like that.

    that's not what I said, try re-quoting but up the frequency of accuracy while turning down the detractor knob a bit :)

  • simonnowissimonnowis
    edited February 2019

    @J33Z

    i've not heard of Dr. Reichholf, but i agree, external input (as well as limiting it), is critically important for our health(wholeness), as is external output

    as i see it, the spiral of Life/energy/consciousness flows

    mind->body->environment -> mind->body->environment -> and back the other way, like a tide

    my mind can æffect my body, my body æffect my environment, my environment æffect my mind, etc, etc, whatever way, all 3 seem closely tied

    :)

    peaceful protest is a great idea - modern technology (mobile phones) helping to bring us together and disarm the usual agent provocateurs

    and conscious choice too - it's my start point - this is where my optimism springs from - others are also making conscious choice - and though these choices are still æffected by the current wealth exchange system - generally our choices seem to be getting more ... ?Life focused?

    :)

    free range people are rare indeed - the number system sees to that - most have a chain of 000,000,000's around their neck, more or less long

    thank goodness for music )))

    this song is about some of Dr. Wilhelm Reich's work - work the u.s. government found so con that they felt it necessary to burn all his books and work and throw him in jail (where he died a week before release)

    so i don't mean to under-estimate the size of task in front of us, i'm just gonna face it with a smile

    "something good is going to happen ...
    just saying it could even make it happen    "

  • J33ZJ33Z
    edited February 2019

    @kobamoto said:

    @J33Z said:

    @RUST( i )K said:
    Spiritual problems cannot be solved by man or chemicals.

    Money or things.

    Music at least gives me the insight to determine what things are not.

    At least on the inside..

    Music does that for me, too.

    @LinearLineman said:
    I think @DefRobot's question requires examination. One truth is we all do get along. In fact, much better than one might imagine in a world of seven billions. It's amazing that we manage what we do. Sure you can say the twentieth was the bloodiest ever, but probably not by percentage of global populace...and we are still here. Most societies function to a degree. Empires rise and fall, as always. Looks like those myriads in China are coming to bat... Again.

    Why are zombies such a fad? Because zombies represent our greatest fear... What happens when we don't get along.

    Can it be better in our fantasies? Of course. But for most of us just keeping the zombies under control is enough. Just sayin'.
    You know I love the love stuff.

    There is a lot of truth in your zombie analogy.
    Love will save us, and the zombies.
    Dont forget they are humans, too.

    @kobamoto said:
    there are desperate people but not everyone is desperate. you can look at evil as a disease if you want but what do you do with a disease.. you cure it, cut it out, quarantine it, or let it destroy you.
    the main problem facing society is that we believe in good people, and the goodness of people but are in complete denial of bad people who get up every morning with the desire to figure out the best way to touch you with their hate.

    A good doctor will remove the cause of the disease. Or at least help you to do it yourself.
    You can not kill all unhappy people to make the world a happy place. It just doesnt work like that.

    that's not what I said, try re-quoting but up the frequency of accuracy while turning down the detractor knob a bit :)

    I didnt change anything with your quote, i wouldnt do that.
    Thats not what you said of course. As a german i might be a little sensitive
    when its about cutting people from society or quarantining them.
    And i dont think that you can help antisocial people by cutting them from society.
    I meant to say that you have to look for the cause of their behaviour, which lies deep in our society and the milieu we are brought up. Otherwise you just remove the symptoms.

    @simonnowis said:
    @J33Z

    i've not heard of Dr. Reichholf, but i agree, external input (as well as limiting it), is critically important for our health(wholeness), as is external output

    as i see it, the spiral of Life/energy/consciousness flows

    mind->body->environment -> mind->body->environment -> and back the other way, like a tide

    my mind can æffect my body, my body æffect my environment, my environment æffect my mind, etc, etc, whatever way, all 3 seem closely tied

    :)

    peaceful protest is a great idea - modern technology (mobile phones) helping to bring us together and disarm the usual agent provocateurs

    and conscious choice too - it's my start point - this is where my optimism springs from - others are also making conscious choice - and though these choices are still æffected by the current wealth exchange system - generally our choices seem to be getting more ... ?Life focused?

    :)

    free range people are rare indeed - the number system sees to that - most have a chain of 000,000,000's around their neck, more or less long

    thank goodness for music )))

    this song is about some of Dr. Wilhelm Reich's work - work the u.s. government found so con that they felt it necessary to burn all his books and work and throw him in jail (where he died a week before release)

    so i don't mean to under-estimate the size of task in front of us, i'm just gonna face it with a smile

    "something good is going to happen ...
    just saying it could even make it happen    "

    Great song. I like Kate Bush, but didnt know that one. It made me really optimistic today and that was welcome indeed. Thanks for that.
    Everyday i meet people who cannot believe in themselves,
    as they are dying and are in pain, fear or anger. So i know the importance
    of another person giving us courage and make us believe in ourselves.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited February 2019

    actually I agree with you about anti -socialism but I thought we already agreed upon the existence of evil people, when I say evil people I'm not talking about anti-social people.
    I'm from America , where people are routinely quarantined unjustly, and hooked on judicial debt like it's an opioid for no other sake than ruining their lives. The people who do these things are evil.

  • J33ZJ33Z
    edited February 2019

    Im glad you agree.
    Yes, there is evil. But it always has a cause. Even those judges who arrogate the right to judge about other people or even believe that they are the embodyment of good were made to believe that. If they would be judged like they judge others, i am sure it wouldnt look so good for them.
    And in the US of A you have outsourced your penal system to the private economy. I am sure that this opened the doors for a lot of evil.

    @simonnowis Agent provocateurs are a real danger

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