Call to devs: please make a cool low latency pitch shifter with formant control AU!!

Janosax

I’ve tried them all: ToneStack, 4pockets, Virsyn, etc... and only VoiceRackFX does the trick, but TCHelicon doesn’t support it anymore so it will die one day...

Only VRFX iOS has low latency, nice pitching algorithm with natural sounding formant settings, presets changing midi control and is AU (edited: universal, iPhone 7 Plus musician here). Only tracking is not that good at fast playing, so I use it only for saxes sections and for saxes solos I use Polyverse Manipulator on my laptop.

A good pitch-shifting AU with formant and fast tracking, real-time low latency, with midi preset changing is essential to my iOS music making!

Who wants to do one???

@brambos @FredAntonCorvest @Michael and others?

Pleaase!!..

Samu

Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

gusgranite

Woodulator?

Janosax

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

NoiseHorse

Retune has a nice formant if you tighten the zones in enough

Janosax

@NoiseHorse said:
Retune has a nice formant if you tighten the zones in enough

This is in Auria? I forgot to mention, this has to be an universal AU, iPhone only here

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

ReplikaXT (Native Instruments) a delay with a nice pitch shifter is my favorite. Works with even zero delay.

Janosax

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

ReplikaXT (Native Instruments) a delay with a nice pitch shifter is my favorite. Works with even zero delay.

Thanks, I will take a look at that one for my laptop setup

This is crazy, I really plan to keep my iPhone frozen on iOS12 just because of VRFX, in fear of loosing it!! That sucks! This is even one major reason I get back to Ableton/laptop setup, as I can’t rely only on my iOS live setup. Even if I still use mainly my iPhone for everything related to music creation. Odd iOS power, 5.5 vs 14 inches, iPhone wins!! Okay, Manipulator allows for pitched soloing, which VRFX don’t so the game is not closed!!

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

ReplikaXT (Native Instruments) a delay with a nice pitch shifter is my favorite. Works with even zero delay.

Thanks, I will take a look at that one for my laptop setup

This is crazy, I really plan to keep my iPhone frozen on iOS12 just because of VRFX, in fear of loosing it!! That sucks! This is even one major reason I get back to Ableton/laptop setup, as I can’t rely only on my iOS live setup. Even if I still use mainly my iPhone for everything related to music creation. Odd iOS power, 5.5 vs 14 inches, iPhone wins!! Okay, Manipulator allows for pitched soloing, which VRFX don’t so the game is not closed!!

Just read again and i have to say ReplikaXT has no formant control (just pitch), so it might not what you want.
Melodyne might do it all and much more but that is of course an expensive piece of software.

Janosax

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

ReplikaXT (Native Instruments) a delay with a nice pitch shifter is my favorite. Works with even zero delay.

Thanks, I will take a look at that one for my laptop setup

This is crazy, I really plan to keep my iPhone frozen on iOS12 just because of VRFX, in fear of loosing it!! That sucks! This is even one major reason I get back to Ableton/laptop setup, as I can’t rely only on my iOS live setup. Even if I still use mainly my iPhone for everything related to music creation. Odd iOS power, 5.5 vs 14 inches, iPhone wins!! Okay, Manipulator allows for pitched soloing, which VRFX don’t so the game is not closed!!

Just read again and i have to say ReplikaXT has no formant control (just pitch), so it might not what you want.
Melodyne might do it all and much more but that is of course an expensive piece of software.

On laptop, I’ve found my holy grail which is Manipulator. Have you tried it?

The issue is on iOS, with VRFX not being updated anymore. Voicesynth is a bit similar to Manipulator but not as musical and much higher latency.

https://polyversemusic.com/products/manipulator/

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Samu said:
Have you tried Virsyn's Harmony Eight?

And where did you hear about TC Helicon dropping VoiceRack FX support?

I’m in contact with Carecrea/TCHelicon since September, even Alessandro from apeSoft sent them a mail for me with some indications to fix a graphic issue in some hosts since iOS12 (don’t seeing knobs when reopening AU in GB, StageLight...), and the answer is still the same: « there is no promise on when and if a fix will be completed or uploaded », and they invite me to find some alternatives on the AppStore... I had to contact Carecrea as TCHelicon don’t have a contact form for iOS apps anymore... so I really have fear that iOS13 could kill it.

I’ve tried Virsyn yes, I don’t get that natural sounding result I get with VRFX unfortunately.

I’ve tried also Discord4, Voicesynth, Woodulator @gusgranite and they all sound like straight pitch shifter with not that efficient sounding formant control there is in VRFX or VST Polyverse Manipulator, or have too much latency. This is hard to find even in VST’s, where most pitch shifters sounds correct but have huge latency (Soundtoys Littlealterboy...).

VRFX has something very special, even Manipulator doesn’t sound that natural, but that last one has crazy features, lower latency, better tracking. I’ve asked them for an iOS version lol, but I doubt there will be one.

ReplikaXT (Native Instruments) a delay with a nice pitch shifter is my favorite. Works with even zero delay.

Thanks, I will take a look at that one for my laptop setup

This is crazy, I really plan to keep my iPhone frozen on iOS12 just because of VRFX, in fear of loosing it!! That sucks! This is even one major reason I get back to Ableton/laptop setup, as I can’t rely only on my iOS live setup. Even if I still use mainly my iPhone for everything related to music creation. Odd iOS power, 5.5 vs 14 inches, iPhone wins!! Okay, Manipulator allows for pitched soloing, which VRFX don’t so the game is not closed!!

Just read again and i have to say ReplikaXT has no formant control (just pitch), so it might not what you want.
Melodyne might do it all and much more but that is of course an expensive piece of software.

On laptop, I’ve found my holy grail which is Manipulator. Have you tried it?

The issue is on iOS, with VRFX not being updated anymore. Voicesynth is a bit similar to Manipulator but not as musical and much higher latency.

Manipulator looks great. But even on sale it is a bit too expensive for me since i mainly have enough tools for pitch modulation. But this GUI looks very nice. Almost perfect for touch screen as well
Much better than VRFX.
But i bet there are million things in the Reaktor community for free as well.

MrSmileZ

I just wish for serato sample on ipad! Good stuff

[Deleted User]

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Janosax

A> @Cib said:

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Yes VRFX offers a lot for sure. Yes they do only hardware, so this app is more like an entry door to their sonic universe.

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:
A> @Cib said:

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Yes VRFX offers a lot for sure. Yes they do only hardware, so this app is more like an entry door to their sonic universe.

That‘s the trouble with some great iOS apps. You lick blood and then it‘s a dead end someday (like FingerFiddle and some other apps). There are just a few iOS developers which i have trust in (and even here you never know what can happen to a one person show).
I see most iOS apps as is. I mean no one is forced to update the OS anyway. But as we know Apple want us to and find ways to bother us (and developers) to push too fast forward.

Janosax

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:
A> @Cib said:

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Yes VRFX offers a lot for sure. Yes they do only hardware, so this app is more like an entry door to their sonic universe.

That‘s the trouble with some great iOS apps. You lick blood and then it‘s a dead end someday (like FingerFiddle and some other apps). There are just a few iOS developers which i have trust in (and even here you never know what can happen to a one person show).
I see most iOS apps as is. I mean no one is forced to update the OS anyway. But as we know Apple want us to and find ways to bother us (and developers) to push too fast forward.

That’s true. I always buy apps that still get some regular updates, but we never know. I think other strong iOS pillars I couldn’t make iOS music without are Audiobus, AUM and Loopy.

[Deleted User]

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:
A> @Cib said:

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Yes VRFX offers a lot for sure. Yes they do only hardware, so this app is more like an entry door to their sonic universe.

That‘s the trouble with some great iOS apps. You lick blood and then it‘s a dead end someday (like FingerFiddle and some other apps). There are just a few iOS developers which i have trust in (and even here you never know what can happen to a one person show).
I see most iOS apps as is. I mean no one is forced to update the OS anyway. But as we know Apple want us to and find ways to bother us (and developers) to push too fast forward.

That’s true. I always buy apps that still get some regular updates, but we never know. I think other strong iOS pillars I couldn’t make iOS music without are Audiobus, AUM and Loopy.

But these things happen as well on the desktop platform. My favorite (non-hybrid) synth is abandoned and while it gots no update since year or so it still runs on the latest macOS Mojave but each next major update could break it and i´m sure the next major Logic update would force me to update. But it´s a synth i can´t live without anymore.
Maybe it´s even possible to run 2 different os versions on a desktop but on iOS these things are more difficult.
In general the desktop world is slower to adopt but also mostly more stable in long terms.
One day i go all hardware, lol.

Janosax

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:

@Cib said:

@Janosax said:
A> @Cib said:

But indeed VRFX offers a lot for the money. Sad that it might be abandoned. Normally they only make hardware?

Yes VRFX offers a lot for sure. Yes they do only hardware, so this app is more like an entry door to their sonic universe.

That‘s the trouble with some great iOS apps. You lick blood and then it‘s a dead end someday (like FingerFiddle and some other apps). There are just a few iOS developers which i have trust in (and even here you never know what can happen to a one person show).
I see most iOS apps as is. I mean no one is forced to update the OS anyway. But as we know Apple want us to and find ways to bother us (and developers) to push too fast forward.

That’s true. I always buy apps that still get some regular updates, but we never know. I think other strong iOS pillars I couldn’t make iOS music without are Audiobus, AUM and Loopy.

But these things happen as well on the desktop platform. My favorite (non-hybrid) synth is abandoned and while it gots no update since year or so it still runs on the latest macOS Mojave but each next major update could break it and i´m sure the next major Logic update would force me to update. But it´s a synth i can´t live without anymore.
Maybe it´s even possible to run 2 different os versions on a desktop but on iOS these things are more difficult.
In general the desktop world is slower to adopt but also mostly more stable in long terms.
One day i go all hardware, lol.

Lol, I understand your synth issue. With Windows it's slightly different as I'm still able to use 10 years old desktop with W7 with really decent results (overcloked Core Duo) and recent music software, or use OOOLLD Steinberg Virtual Guitarist VST/Ableton Live 10 on powerful 3 years old Lenovo i5/W10 thanks to jBridge (does this works on OSX?). But I'm lucky enough to have a very stable and reliable laptop rig, and to being able to control manually W10 Windows Update, but that could eventually be broken so bye bye live setup. MAC'S needs more often to be updated to last OS and it seems that can break things too. All hardware setups are cool, but software is so powerful and versatile!! Could you live without all your plugs and DAW? That’s some huge fun too, and when you have some workflows/sonic habits, its hard to change them

sysexual

this?
Formante by Elliott Garage

Janosax

@sysexual said:
this?
Formante by Elliott Garage

Looks interesting but seems to be formant only, not pitch shift

sysexual

@Janosax said:

@sysexual said:
this?
Formante by Elliott Garage

Looks interesting but seems to be formant only, not pitch shift

ive never tried but the egsy01’s vowel filter is pretty good

jollyDodger

give vocalrackfx some stars... on the appstore and perhaps it will become profitable?
https://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/voice-rack-fx-vocal-effects-processor/id950058913?mt=8

mjcouche

What we REALLY need is an app/ framework that allows for an "iOS compatibility mode" so you can run any app you want going back to the oldest iOS. Alchemy, etc.