LINK via Lightning cable?

I know this discussion has come up a bunch, but I'm left still looking for this simple answer.

Using a lightning cable with CCK to connect two iOS devices -- will Link work?

Ableton's website says "lightning cables support network data transfer" for the purpose of using Link without Wifi. Additionally some users here have said they've supposedly succeeded in this.

I've tried this with zero success. Here was my simple set up: iPad < CCK < Lightning cable > iPhone

Has anyone gotten this to work? I'm trying to find a way to use Link without Wifi and without the use of ethernet cable, network switch, private router, etc

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  • edited December 2018

    Have you tried the 'Personal Hotspot' on your iPhone?
    Take a look at Section 3: https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/articles/209072789-Link-linking-devices-and-apps
    Then take a look at: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204023

    I don't have an iPhone so cannot test it, although I could connect my iPad to my Android's hotspot. It's an ad-hoc network (local device-to-device network), but you should be able to, in addition, get a 'regular' WiFi connection, so for example, I could surf the net on my iPad (not a cellular model iPad) using my Android phone's cellular data. You'd turn off Personal Hotspot when you're done so that you don't get cellular overcharges if, for example, auto-updates is enabled, watching lots of videos, etc.

  • edited December 2018

    With no WiFi and my Lenovo Laptop, all I have to do if I want to use Link between it and my iPhone is to share iPhone connection (cellular hotspot) with the laptop, works both wireless and wired though lightning cable. I suppose you could easily share your iPhone connection with your iPad wirelessly too, Link will work and no need for WIFI network (although this needs a cellular network, so I don’t know if this works in the middle of the desert!). Just set a password for this in settings, then you can enable/disable it quickly here:

  • edited December 2018

    Cabling needs to be
    IPad >> CCK >> USB ethernet >><< USB ethernet << CCK << iPhone.
    There are some lightning to ethernet adapters quite cheap on Ebay and so on, those would simplify the wiring a lot.

  • @Turntablist Are you familiar with how much power this would require? I'm using an unpowered 4-port USB hub to connect my 4 controllers and I'm wondering if connecting an ethernet cable in addition to this would require too much power.

    I found this which could replace my CCK for this purpose. You think this could work?

  • edited December 2018

    @ocelot @Janosax I would love to experiment with making my iPhone into a hotspot, but unfortunately that would require me to change my data plan. I actually would be open to this, but I still want the assurance that I could use Link across two devices in the middle of the desert! Janosax, are you sure your iPhone actually needs to be connected to a cellular network for it to Link to another device? I know others can accomplish this with portable routers that are set up to connect other devices without internet connectivity.

  • edited December 2018

    @cnsg_music said:
    @ocelot @Janosax I would love to experiment with making my iPhone into a hotspot, but unfortunately that would require me to change my data plan. I actually would be open to this, but I still want the assurance that I could use Link across two devices in the middle of the desert! Janosax, are you sure your iPhone actually needs to be connected to a cellular network for it to Link to another device? I know others can accomplish this with portable routers that are set up to connect other devices without internet connectivity.

    You need your cellular data to be enabled on your iPhone or you can’t enable the hotspot. But I had not tested it yet in a spot where there is no cellular network to be sure it can really work anywhere.

  • I believe it needs a cellular network. Once I wanted to connect iPad and iPhone for a stop-motion app where the iPhone acted as a camera, and couldn't create a hotspot. I had to enable cellular network, and then it worked well.

  • The big question being: is it able with cellular data enabled but no cellular signal to create a cellular hotspot.

  • @Janosax said:
    The big question being: is it able with cellular data enabled but no cellular signal to create a cellular hotspot.

    Exactly!

  • edited December 2018

    from what I remember, a consistent signal from the provider was necessary to keep the connection between iPhone and iPad.

  • Thanks everyone. I opted just to go with an ethernet setup. Works pretty well!

  • @cnsg_music said:
    Thanks everyone. I opted just to go with an ethernet setup. Works pretty well!

    @cnsg_music Just to be clear... you are using a Lightning to ethernet adapter on iPad/iPhone #1, then ethernet cable from that into an identical adapter on iPad/iPhone #2, correct?

  • @MarkR said:

    @cnsg_music said:
    Thanks everyone. I opted just to go with an ethernet setup. Works pretty well!

    @cnsg_music Just to be clear... you are using a Lightning to ethernet adapter on iPad/iPhone #1, then ethernet cable from that into an identical adapter on iPad/iPhone #2, correct?

    Yeah, that is the set up I have working now. Would still be open one day to trying to use a hot spot if that is more stable, but I want to be able to use it in areas with limited AT&T coverage (like a friend's basement for band practice.) I'll just have to test this out with a friend's device someday.

  • wimwim
    edited December 2018

    @cnsg_music said:

    @MarkR said:

    @cnsg_music said:
    Thanks everyone. I opted just to go with an ethernet setup. Works pretty well!

    @cnsg_music Just to be clear... you are using a Lightning to ethernet adapter on iPad/iPhone #1, then ethernet cable from that into an identical adapter on iPad/iPhone #2, correct?

    Yeah, that is the set up I have working now. Would still be open one day to trying to use a hot spot if that is more stable, but I want to be able to use it in areas with limited AT&T coverage (like a friend's basement for band practice.) I'll just have to test this out with a friend's device someday.

    Wireless is never going to be as stable, nor as fast as wire.

  • @wim But cleaner! And less prone to 3rd party CCK (with ethernet input) overheating and crapping out on you! :lol:

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