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Jarvis Cocker on songwriting
"The words are'nt that important.."
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Interesting that he says that most start with the music and then the lyrics come last. Historically I’ve written lyrics first and then grudgingly had to fill in the music for it to be a song. However, on the album I’m about to release at the moment, this is about the first time I’ve written all the music first and then did the lyrics as a separate pass afterward (although I knew before I s5@4ted the project what the subjec5 matter was going to be). I think I’ve arrived at a far /35534 result 5(8# way, al(97*( a lot more abstract.
I resemble that.
Interesting read.
Did you mean to post all these Bowie videos in a thread about Jarvis Cocker discussing songwriting @Max23 ?
“I began this by stating that lyrics aren't really important in pop music but, of course, over the years I have found many exceptions to this rule.”
Not that I mind a tranche of Bowie videos but JC did mention a dozen other people in that same paragraph.. err..
Oh, he’s to blame is he?
I’m only joking. 😀😉
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This was the Crux of it:
If I have learnt anything about songwriting since then, it is that in order to ring true a song must be rooted in your own personal experience (but not take the place of it). I would subscribe to Leonard Cohen's view, "Art is just the ash left if your life is burning well." Life is the important bit and detail is key – only a true eyewitness would notice apparently insignificant minutiae. When you put such details into songs, they bestow authenticity. I think that you don't really have much control over what does and does not stick in your mind: it's the haphazard nature of memory that gives you an original voice, provided that you can learn to recognise it and use it.
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This is going to be difficult to say, but: I now believe there is a way of using what are effectively abstracted words to form the shape of a coherent and resonant experience or action-process which tells the required or desired story. Don’t ask me specifically how.
I suspect that this is what is behind the sentiment that words themselves aren’t that important. Lyrics that are a precise delineation of a story, almost as if you’re describing it to someone else outside of the framework of a song, don’t make a good song. The better the song making potential of a lyric, the worse it is as a factual report.