Microsoft Surface Go

Just read about this. Seems like a potentially valid alternative to iPad for mobile music. I find my surface pro 3 almost the same as using laptop in convenience/Weight/size but this is only 10” and much cheaper than current surfaces.

Ram and storage look ‘ok’ and cpu is apparently more powerful than the surface pro 3 i7 (which I found to be fine for mobile music). Don’t know if it has mem card slot?

Maybe this new model will begin to pull in some better touch software for windows? Big hole there for devs to look at making a little £ if it gathers speed... The price and size at least makes it a lot more accessible than previous Surface models...

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  • Interesting. It will have some great advantages:
    Data exchange between apps, data only stored at one single location and a much wider choice of high-quality music software.

    @Dawdles said:
    Maybe this new model will begin to pull in some better touch software for windows? Big hole there for devs to look at making a little £ if it gathers speed... The price and size at least makes it a lot more accessible than previous Surface models...

    Touch support is key. Let's wait and see.

  • Yes this is a good step forward. It does have a memory card slot and can run Win 10 pro. It will hopefully promote more touch app development for Windows too.

  • @rs2000 said:
    Interesting. It will have some great advantages:
    Data exchange between apps, data only stored at one single location and a much wider choice of high-quality music software.

    @Dawdles said:
    Maybe this new model will begin to pull in some better touch software for windows? Big hole there for devs to look at making a little £ if it gathers speed... The price and size at least makes it a lot more accessible than previous Surface models...

    Touch support is key. Let's wait and see.

    Yep be interesting to see if some touch devs start appearing now....

    Main advantage (besides the totally open file system that you mention) for me would be total desktop integration. Anything I work on when mobile I can just instantly flip over to my more powerful desktop machine to finish up on...Potentially a huge overall workflow optomisation....

  • @Carnbot said:
    Yes this is a good step forward. It does have a memory card slot and can run Win 10 pro. It will hopefully promote more touch app development for Windows too.

    Cool about the mem card slot :) Perhaps Apple are gonna have to get over themselves a little at some point soon or just get left behind..If windows tablets like this had the same 3rd party software that iOS has, plus all the existing windows software (tons of it being free...), it’s going to begin to be a hard sell to grab an iPad....

    Death to iTunes for transfers and the addition of mem card slots would go a long, long way imho...

  • edited July 12

    Kind of a weird scenario unfolding maybe.... like do devs like the AUM guy start to look at windows ports, or do other devs just look at iOS and totally rip off the best touch apps? Be interesting to see what unfolds...

    Trying to think of some stuff that’s already windows (or headed there) that’s among the best iOS stuff suited to touchscreen..not much atm (quanta, Spacecraft....) but I could live quite happily on any touch device with like 20 of the iOS ‘greats’, so in theory some dev could catch windows up to iOS pretty fast and totally corner the early market...

  • Update (just found on notebookcheck.com):
    Due to the missing Turbo Boost, the Pentium 4415Y offers a significantly worse single thread performance than the more expensive Core m3-7Y30. This should be noticeable in daily tasks.

    Single-thread performance is especially important for audio apps (as in soft synths).
    For more recent cpu-hungry plugins, that might be an issue.

  • I'm certainly keeping my eye on how this goes and what reports come out about its use for music, at those prices they are a very serious contender for my next hardware upgrade.
    Being able to run FL Studio 12 on one of those would be pretty hard to resist.

  • @rs2000 said:
    Update (just found on notebookcheck.com):
    Due to the missing Turbo Boost, the Pentium 4415Y offers a significantly worse single thread performance than the more expensive Core m3-7Y30. This should be noticeable in daily tasks.

    Single-thread performance is especially important for audio apps (as in soft synths).
    For more recent cpu-hungry plugins, that might be an issue.

    Thanks for info :) Think I’d probably wait for the 2nd gen one anyway tho and see how the software side pans out first...

  • @AndyPlankton said:
    I'm certainly keeping my eye on how this goes and what reports come out about its use for music, at those prices they are a very serious contender for my next hardware upgrade.
    Being able to run FL Studio 12 on one of those would be pretty hard to resist.

    Yep, not to mention Bandlab Cakewalk, Reaper and Vcvrack.... All free and destroy iOS equivalents atm in most areas... Not super touch friendly tho :/ But maybe that will start to change...

  • @Dawdles said:

    @AndyPlankton said:
    I'm certainly keeping my eye on how this goes and what reports come out about its use for music, at those prices they are a very serious contender for my next hardware upgrade.
    Being able to run FL Studio 12 on one of those would be pretty hard to resist.

    Yep, not to mention Bandlab Cakewalk, Reaper and Vcvrack.... All free and destroy iOS equivalents atm in most areas... Not super touch friendly tho :/ But maybe that will start to change...

    FL Studio is fairly touch friendly I believe, not tried it with touch though I have to admit.

  • @rs2000 said:
    Update (just found on notebookcheck.com):
    Due to the missing Turbo Boost, the Pentium 4415Y offers a significantly worse single thread performance than the more expensive Core m3-7Y30. This should be noticeable in daily tasks.

    Single-thread performance is especially important for audio apps (as in soft synths).
    For more recent cpu-hungry plugins, that might be an issue.

    Most windows audio apps are multi core optimized ;)
    Also although cpu turbo is great for launching apps fast , I wouldn’t trust it for audio .
    If the cpu is hot , or battery is low , then turbo is disabled and a project can get audio glitches out of sudden .

    Will check on
    http://surfaceproaudio.com/

    for real usage, hopefully he will get the new surface for testing . His YouTube channel is great for surface users .

  • @Korakios said:

    @rs2000 said:
    Update (just found on notebookcheck.com):
    Due to the missing Turbo Boost, the Pentium 4415Y offers a significantly worse single thread performance than the more expensive Core m3-7Y30. This should be noticeable in daily tasks.

    Single-thread performance is especially important for audio apps (as in soft synths).
    For more recent cpu-hungry plugins, that might be an issue.

    Most windows audio apps are multi core optimized ;)
    Also although cpu turbo is great for launching apps fast , I wouldn’t trust it for audio .
    If the cpu is hot , or battery is low , then turbo is disabled and a project can get audio glitches out of sudden .

    Will check on
    http://surfaceproaudio.com/

    for real usage, hopefully he will get the new surface for testing . His YouTube channel is great for surface users .

    I'll be checking that out for sure, cheers for the link :)

  • It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

  • This guy knows surfaces and testing DAWS so keep a eye out for his tests.

    https://www.gearnews.com/surface-go-at-379-is-this-microsofts-ipad-killer/

  • @Korakios said:
    Most windows audio apps are multi core optimized ;)

    Not when used inside a DAW, that's why I said that, from my own experience.

    Also although cpu turbo is great for launching apps fast , I wouldn’t trust it for audio .
    If the cpu is hot , or battery is low , then turbo is disabled and a project can get audio glitches out of sudden .

    That's definitely true, but also valid for the more recent MacBooks ;)

  • Interesting stuff. If nothing else it’ll give Apple something to think about.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    Agreed - for us who have left Windows behind - nothing would make me return.

    I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows. I may be wrong but I think it is too late for a windows touch device to gain traction in mobile music - not for many years to come anyway.

  • @ageezz said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    Agreed - for us who have left Windows behind - nothing would make me return.

    I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows. I may be wrong but I think it is too late for a windows touch device to gain traction in mobile music - not for many years to come anyway.

    I bought a touchscreen monitor some years ago , hoping for many apps (even non audio) to be optimized, but nothing compares to iOS .

    Can’t find a reason to have a windows tablet for simple tasks . Android is much cheaper solution.

  • edited July 12

    @ageezz said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    Agreed - for us who have left Windows behind - nothing would make me return.

    I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows. I may be wrong but I think it is too late for a windows touch device to gain traction in mobile music - not for many years to come anyway.

    If I was a small dev that was talented but lacked ideas I’d be focused hard on windows touch now. Could probably do pretty well financially by mimicking a bunch of iOS apps and being the ‘first’..Those early gold rush days opportunities are mostly gone now in iOS.

    But when you think about it I’m not sure that ‘new’ software is even totally necessary on windows... Just a bunch of existing software could be made more touch friendly by the devs and instantly windows would be a richer mobile platform for variety and quality..

  • I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows.

    As far as touch specific software goes this is the issue, there simply won’t be enough units sold to make it worthwhile, as for the market to reach that point it will need other manufacturers to make their own Windows Surface machines which will introduce the same problems that android has with the variety of specifications causing headaches for developers.
    This is evidenced by Microsoft themselves making this model with a less powerful processor to cut costs.
    I think unless another manufacturer really splits the market with some unknown amazing development the status quo of iOS for music will stand.

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    i genuinely dont have probs with windows since 7. been using ableton for years.

  • @CRAKROX said:

    I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows.

    As far as touch specific software goes this is the issue, there simply won’t be enough units sold to make it worthwhile, as for the market to reach that point it will need other manufacturers to make their own Windows Surface machines which will introduce the same problems that android has with the variety of specifications causing headaches for developers.
    This is evidenced by Microsoft themselves making this model with a less powerful processor to cut costs.
    I think unless another manufacturer really splits the market with some unknown amazing development the status quo of iOS for music will stand.

    I respectfully disagree. I think Microsoft will corner the windows tablet market with these models and other manufacturers will struggle to compete for sales. So there’ll be Apple style unity with the OS software and hardware companies being the same company, for anyone seeking that. Android has a totally different vibe/perception and is off the table for me personally except for phones..

    Re the market not being there.... all I ever read on here is that devs don’t make enough money anyway and it’s overcrowded and a labour of love etc....So if I was a dev I’d seriously consider making something mind blowing for windows touch and getting it out there pronto.... if like 15 devs did this and made some good videos of those apps it would be hard not to consider grabbing a cheap surface to check it out. And a market would eventually build....

    its like in some ways the software needs to come first in order to make the hardware popular... kind of the reverse of what happened with iOS. But potentially just as effective route long term and possibly a good place to grab a foothold for small devs.... not to mention that there’s no iTunes costs for small devs to have to deal with. If someone wants to make something for windows touch they can do the whole thing on their own terms. That’s got to be kind of tempting? Though all of this is kind of ignoring how much incredible software already exists on windows and how easy some of it would be to tweak for touch....

    Of course there’s also the piracy element on windows, but if software was priced similarly to iOS apps I think most people would rather just avoid risk of viruses etc and drop a few bucks on something...

  • @Dawdles said:

    @CRAKROX said:

    I cannot see the Surface Go reaching critical mass sufficiently to persuade iOS only devs to engage in porting their apps to Windows.

    As far as touch specific software goes this is the issue, there simply won’t be enough units sold to make it worthwhile, as for the market to reach that point it will need other manufacturers to make their own Windows Surface machines which will introduce the same problems that android has with the variety of specifications causing headaches for developers.
    This is evidenced by Microsoft themselves making this model with a less powerful processor to cut costs.
    I think unless another manufacturer really splits the market with some unknown amazing development the status quo of iOS for music will stand.

    I respectfully disagree. I think Microsoft will corner the windows tablet market with these models and other manufacturers will struggle to compete for sales. So there’ll be Apple style unity with the OS software and hardware companies being the same company, for anyone seeking that. Android has a totally different vibe/perception and is off the table for me personally except for phones..

    Re the market not being there.... all I ever read on here is that devs don’t make enough money anyway and it’s overcrowded and a labour of love etc....So if I was a dev I’d seriously consider making something mind blowing for windows touch and getting it out there pronto.... if like 15 devs did this and made some good videos of those apps it would be hard not to consider grabbing a cheap surface to check it out. And a market would eventually build....

    its like in some ways the software needs to come first in order to make the hardware popular... kind of the reverse of what happened with iOS. But potentially just as effective route long term and possibly a good place to grab a foothold for small devs.... not to mention that there’s no iTunes costs for small devs to have to deal with. If someone wants to make something for windows touch they can do the whole thing on their own terms. That’s got to be kind of tempting? Though all of this is kind of ignoring how much incredible software already exists on windows and how easy some of it would be to tweak for touch....

    Of course there’s also the piracy element on windows, but if software was priced similarly to iOS apps I think most people would rather just avoid risk of viruses etc and drop a few bucks on something...

    It's not just about tablets either, there are more and more users of touch screen desktops and laptops !

  • I live in both the Apple and the Windows world. But honestly, Windows doesn't even come close to the touch capabilities of an iPad. Touch optimized applications that work well can be searched with a magnifying glass.

    I really don't know anyone who really uses the touchdisplay of a surface or yoga extensively. After a short hype phase, everyone works with the mouse on the desktop again. No need for a Touchdisplay anymore,

    The iPad, on the other hand, offers completely different possibilities. Nobody would even think of using an iPad with a mouse. The iPad is designed for touch right from the start and works fantastically accordingly. The devs gave us so many amazing software already and we need not to wait for long time to see the next amazing music app on IOS.

    I think IOS is way ahead of all other OS systems. Whether Windows can keep up in the foreseeable future I doubt very much.

    I really love the iPad with all its possibilities. I manage 80% of my computer activities with my iPad and I have both powerful Macs and Windows pcs available.

    But everyone can make his own experiences... 😎

  • @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    i genuinely dont have probs with windows since 7. been using ableton for years.

    Would ableton run smoothly on the cpu in this touch go?

  • @lukesleepwalker said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    It's Windows, so, NO NO NO...

    Have struggling with Windows to much in the past...
    Although it's Win10 now, perhaps better, but, no more Win in my life...

    i genuinely dont have probs with windows since 7. been using ableton for years.

    Would ableton run smoothly on the cpu in this touch go?

    Ableton runs fine on surface pro 3 and apparently this is more powerful...

  • edited July 12

    I had to repair a Surface Pro 4 for a customer yesterday. I quickly tried Ableton Live 10 demo on this tablet and it was a very nice experience.

    Windows 10 has mainly some issues with big updates, but has reached some good stability and much better security.

    This Surface Go will have an issue IMO with its CPU and our music usage. It has a 1.6 ghz Intel Pentium Gold Processor 4415Y CPU. Should be ok to run Live or Bitwig not too heavy projects, but will not be able to run lot of/or heavy VST’s. Could also run Reason nicely.

  • Maybe don’t even need devs for windows and could just use something like this to make your favourite existing windows software more fun/friendly for touch and exactly to personal preferences?

    https://touchinnovations.com/emulator-2/

    I don’t fully undertand what this software does/doesn’t do though tbh so I might be totally off point ;)

  • @Janosax said:
    I had to repair a Surface Pro 4 for a customer yesterday. I quickly tried Ableton Live 10 demo on this tablet and it was a very nice experience.

    Windows 10 has mainly some issues with big updates, but has reached some good stability and much better security.

    This Surface Go will have an issue IMO with its CPU and our music usage. It has a 1.6 ghz Intel Pentium Gold Processor 4415Y CPU. Should be ok to run Live or Bitwig but will not be able to run lot of VST’s.

    Surface pro 3 isn’t ‘too’ bad. Definitely feels like you’re on a tablet in terms of power but I’d guess it was about as powerful as current iPads? Be interesting to hear reports on these new Surfaces and see what kind of load they can deal with..

  • edited July 12

    @Dawdles said:

    @Janosax said:
    I had to repair a Surface Pro 4 for a customer yesterday. I quickly tried Ableton Live 10 demo on this tablet and it was a very nice experience.

    Windows 10 has mainly some issues with big updates, but has reached some good stability and much better security.

    This Surface Go will have an issue IMO with its CPU and our music usage. It has a 1.6 ghz Intel Pentium Gold Processor 4415Y CPU. Should be ok to run Live or Bitwig but will not be able to run lot of VST’s.

    Surface pro 3 isn’t ‘too’ bad. Definitely feels like you’re on a tablet in terms of power but I’d guess it was about as powerful as current iPads? Be interesting to hear reports on these new Surfaces and see what kind of load they can deal with..

    Running Ableton Live and its nice freezing management on a tablet with iPad price is still really very tempting. I still have my laptop for big projects, but Surface Go ultra mobility form factor is really interesting.

    Do you use Live on your surface?

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