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KQ Dixie new AU FM synth

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  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @yowza said:

    @yowza said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    I have an AU bank with 32 init slots. Then as I browse patches in the zip files and come across one I want for quick access - with that patch loaded I select my AU bank and store the patch in to one of the slots. Banks can be copied, duplicated, renamed and deleted. It works.

    Would someone please be so kind to spell out how to do this in a “For Dummies” (for me) type of way?
    All I’m able to do is copy full banks back and forth.

    Thanks!!

    Ok I figured it out. I hope I can explain clearly.

    Navigate to the patch that you want to save and load it. This part gets tricky. Navigate to the AU syx file you want to save to say Favorites.syx, make sure the patch is still loaded on the left side and make sure the Favorites syx contents are visible on the right side. Tap on the patch name on the left and a small window opens with the patch name in the upper left and the Fave syx contents below. Select the Store button at the top of the new window and then touch a slot and it will load the patch into that slot. At this point you must resave the Favorites bank where you just copied the new patch or it won’t include the patch you just copied over.

    Good. I think I have it now :) The only remaining puzzle is how/where do you crate a new folder so you can start filling it with your treasures?

    Highlight an existing bank and click store new, enter new name and save. That gives you a copy bank to play with :)

    Thank you your Grace..

    ;)

  • @yowza said:

    @yowza said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    I have an AU bank with 32 init slots. Then as I browse patches in the zip files and come across one I want for quick access - with that patch loaded I select my AU bank and store the patch in to one of the slots. Banks can be copied, duplicated, renamed and deleted. It works.

    Would someone please be so kind to spell out how to do this in a “For Dummies” (for me) type of way?
    All I’m able to do is copy full banks back and forth.

    Thanks!!

    Ok I figured it out. I hope I can explain clearly.

    Navigate to the patch that you want to save and load it. This part gets tricky. Navigate to the AU syx file you want to save to say Favorites.syx, make sure the patch is still loaded on the left side and make sure the Favorites syx contents are visible on the right side. Tap on the patch name on the left and a small window opens with the patch name in the upper left and the Fave syx contents below. Select the Store button at the top of the new window and then touch a slot and it will load the patch into that slot. At this point you must resave the Favorites bank where you just copied the new patch or it won’t include the patch you just copied over.

    That was SUPER helpful. Thank you!

  • @Littlewoodg said:
    https://musical-artifacts.com/artifacts/152/dx7patch.zip

    @yowza said:

    @yowza said:

    @Trueyorky said:

    I have an AU bank with 32 init slots. Then as I browse patches in the zip files and come across one I want for quick access - with that patch loaded I select my AU bank and store the patch in to one of the slots. Banks can be copied, duplicated, renamed and deleted. It works.

    Would someone please be so kind to spell out how to do this in a “For Dummies” (for me) type of way?
    All I’m able to do is copy full banks back and forth.

    Thanks!!

    Ok I figured it out. I hope I can explain clearly.

    Navigate to the patch that you want to save and load it. This part gets tricky. Navigate to the AU syx file you want to save to say Favorites.syx, make sure the patch is still loaded on the left side and make sure the Favorites syx contents are visible on the right side. Tap on the patch name on the left and a small window opens with the patch name in the upper left and the Fave syx contents below. Select the Store button at the top of the new window and then touch a slot and it will load the patch into that slot. At this point you must resave the Favorites bank where you just copied the new patch or it won’t include the patch you just copied over.

    There is a blank .syx file (called blanks.syx!) within the patches that @Littlewoodg linked to, which is a good starting place to store all your favourites.

  • Here’s a video on how to copy a patch from one bank to another.

  • @InfoCheck Well done Mister Check. I think the bases are now covered for all learning types :) What a sudden deluge this app has brought us. I do like surprises....

  • I can confirm that the Dixie, especially the dyna piano patch sounds wonders with FAC chorus, and should be even more grand if coupled with a reverb.

    The choice of implementing the delay effect in the app, and only it, is very odd. I wouldn't put any delay after an FM patch as it adds a lot of mud to the timbre due to the synthesis nature.

    Small annoyance: every time I fire up the Dixie, either standalone or AU, the portamento is activated and the max notes are 16 even if it shows 64, disregarding the settings from the previous session.

  • Thanks to @Trueyorky and @yowza for outlining that trick about how to make a "Favorites" sysex bank! I'm making just a handful of them with my favorite 32 basses, leads, pads, etc. Now I'm really interested in the ability to export .syx files (whether by "Open In", email, or whatever), because this is basically giving me a way to create custom .syx files on a mobile device, and would make it considerably easier to switch content on and off of a Volca FM. Or just to store DX7 patch content in organized fashion, generally.

    The method outlined herein is a little tedious, but it definitely works and is reliably repeatable. Thanks!

  • edited January 2018

    @StormJH1 said:
    Thanks to @Trueyorky and @yowza for outlining that trick about how to make a "Favorites" sysex bank! I'm making just a handful of them with my favorite 32 basses, leads, pads, etc. Now I'm really interested in the ability to export .syx files (whether by "Open In", email, or whatever), because this is basically giving me a way to create custom .syx files on a mobile device, and would make it considerably easier to switch content on and off of a Volca FM. Or just to store DX7 patch content in organized fashion, generally.

    The method outlined herein is a little tedious, but it definitely works and is reliably repeatable. Thanks!

    Any Sysex files in your Dixies iCloud folder can be easily exported already. In Files app, if you go into the iCloud Drive folder or the "on my ipad" Dixie folder, there you can "select" the file using the option top right, then select the file to be exported then you can share it to another app or email it etc

    it can then be shared to Patch Bay etc for then applying to Volca FM. Whether the volca FM will be able to play the files sent from Dixie I'm not sure yet, will test later :)

    so to export a SYX from Dixie, copy to iCloud folder and use the Files app (until a share option is added).

    edit: A quick test reveals this is working well if you also another Volca FM editor like Patch bay. It 's managing to open SYX files I couldn't play before on Volca FM when I sourced them directly via the web so it seems to be optimising them a bit perhaps? :)

  • Loving this app @RyoutaKira! If you want to support this dev even more he also has a super modular synth app too. KQ MiniSynth by Ryouta Kira
    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kq-minisynth/id1070850573?mt=8

  • edited January 2018

    @philowerx

    MiniSynth is AUv3 compatible ?!?! Didn't know that !! If yes, that's game changer !

  • @Carnbot said:

    @StormJH1 said:
    Thanks to @Trueyorky and @yowza for outlining that trick about how to make a "Favorites" sysex bank! I'm making just a handful of them with my favorite 32 basses, leads, pads, etc. Now I'm really interested in the ability to export .syx files (whether by "Open In", email, or whatever), because this is basically giving me a way to create custom .syx files on a mobile device, and would make it considerably easier to switch content on and off of a Volca FM. Or just to store DX7 patch content in organized fashion, generally.

    The method outlined herein is a little tedious, but it definitely works and is reliably repeatable. Thanks!

    Any Sysex files in your Dixies iCloud folder can be easily exported already. In Files app, if you go into the iCloud Drive folder or the "on my ipad" Dixie folder, there you can "select" the file using the option top right, then select the file to be exported then you can share it to another app or email it etc

    it can then be shared to Patch Bay etc for then applying to Volca FM. Whether the volca FM will be able to play the files sent from Dixie I'm not sure yet, will test later :)

    so to export a SYX from Dixie, copy to iCloud folder and use the Files app (until a share option is added).

    edit: A quick test reveals this is working well if you also another Volca FM editor like Patch bay. It 's managing to open SYX files I couldn't play before on Volca FM when I sourced them directly via the web so it seems to be optimising them a bit perhaps? :)

    Of course, the "Files" app! I thought that might work, but hadn't tried it. Yes, I was able to save a Favorites folder in my iCloud folder and move it to Volca FM Buddy, which is the free app I prefer to use to send over patches to my Volca. Really, with this combination of apps and workaround, you don't need the $20 Patch Base purchase anymore. You can edit patches and even move them around to different Sysex files for safekeeping, and then CV them to a Volca using a 3.5mm cable. This is absolutely great. It's really kind of a shame that Korg just threw this product out into the market expecting that power users or 3rd party developers would just solve all of these problems for them. I wonder what percentage of people who buy the Volca end up just stuck with the initial 32 voices and either never figure out or never bother to change out the sounds. Thanks again for the assist!

    Getting back to the app itself, we've been going on and on about the Volca because of all the functionality KQ Dixie adds to it, but KQ Dixie is probably a superior software emulator than what the Volca offers. Even if it were tied or close, the AU functionality allows you to add effects and tweak patches much more easily than you could do with the hardware. What a terrific app!

  • edited January 2018

    @dendy said:
    @philowerx

    MiniSynth is AUv3 compatible ?!?! Didn't know that !! If yes, that's game changer !

    It is indeed! KQ MiniSynth Modular was one of the first AU Instruments available on iOS and it's universal. It's tied for the second available AU with NS1. iSEM was the first.

  • For anyone looking for folder structure for patches, why not try exporting the banks somewhere, creating a zip file, then opening the zip file? I should be working right now so no time to try it, but makes sense to me.

    My own strategy at the moment is creating at least one favorites bank, then banks for Bass, Piano, Organ, Brass, etc. As I mine those archives, I dump them into the appropriate bank. The only bothersome part of this process is getting back to where you were in the archives to continue the search. Some sort of bookmark process for that would be cool.

  • After a bit of Googling I found an 'Init' bank that's a good starting point.
    https://sites.google.com/site/teksonik/screenshots/Dexed_Init.syx?attredirects=0&d=1

    Inside Dixie I just make a copy and rename it and once i've filled a few of those I can dump them into a *.zip file as suggested making things pretty smooth. Dixie supports Files.app so I can just dump them to either AudioShare or Documents and Zip them before moving back into Dixie.

    The Dexed cart is one of the best DX7 'patch archives' as great care has been put to cleaning up duplicate *.syx files.

    For the most part I'm really enjoying playing the classic factory patches and digging thru some of the archives :)
    (There's some pretty weird patches to be found).

  • edited January 2018

    @wim said:
    For anyone looking for folder structure for patches, why not try exporting the banks somewhere, creating a zip file, then opening the zip file? I should be working right now so no time to try it, but makes sense to me.

    My own strategy at the moment is creating at least one favorites bank, then banks for Bass, Piano, Organ, Brass, etc. As I mine those archives, I dump them into the appropriate bank. The only bothersome part of this process is getting back to where you were in the archives to continue the search. Some sort of bookmark process for that would be cool.

    That should work, but I think I tried to do that with a zipped file on the first day it was released, and it did the invalid archive thing. There has been an update since then, so maybe it's something that cleared up. That would be the way to do it, though, within this file structure. I'm happy enough with just making different sysex files for bass, leads, etc. You do get 32 patches within each one. There aren't that many must-have patches I can recall by memory, anyway, as the AudioKit FM app showed - I think he had just a few dozen in there and it was a great summation of some of the best DX7 sounds.

  • This page has a pretty good list of what to expect in the patch banks.
    http://bobbyblues.recup.ch/yamaha_dx7/dx7_soundbanks.html

    The East Meets West bank by Suzanne Ciani is quite nice :)

  • @Samu said:
    After a bit of Googling I found an 'Init' bank that's a good starting point.
    https://sites.google.com/site/teksonik/screenshots/Dexed_Init.syx?attredirects=0&d=1

    Inside Dixie I just make a copy and rename it and once i've filled a few of those I can dump them into a *.zip file as suggested making things pretty smooth. Dixie supports Files.app so I can just dump them to either AudioShare or Documents and Zip them before moving back into Dixie.

    The Dexed cart is one of the best DX7 'patch archives' as great care has been put to cleaning up duplicate *.syx files.

    For the most part I'm really enjoying playing the classic factory patches and digging thru some of the archives :)
    (There's some pretty weird patches to be found).

    Aaaaaaamazing. This is also what I’ve been looking for to start making my own patches!

  • edited January 2018

    App has been updated with a number of requested features. Another super-responsive dev! Thank you!

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kq-dixie/id1330269027?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l4Ky&ct=forum

  • Yes quicksave and sharing very welcome :)

  • @Carnbot said:
    Yes quicksave and sharing very welcome :)

    @anickt said:
    App has been updated with a number of requested features. Another super-responsive dev! Thank you!

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kq-dixie/id1330269027?mt=8&uo=4&at=10l4Ky&ct=forum

    Outstanding! These may seem nitpicky administrative things to people unacquainted with the app, but this level of (lightning fast) responsiveness really is impressive.

    Quick Save appears to lock in whatever changes you've made in the cart you currently have loaded (instead of having to go through and type in the exact name of it and do an overwrite). It may do other things I haven't figured out yet. Seems like it would save a lot of time.

    Renaming is nice touch to stay organized, and I can confirm that the Export feature worked with Volca FM Buddy.

  • @InfoCheck said:
    Here’s a video on how to copy a patch from one bank to another.

    It is not necessary that you tap the patch name.
    Turn on "store" in cart, select a patch on the right frame, and you can store the patch.

  • @RyoutaKira Thank you for your work.

  • Not exactly sure what Quick Save does. It basically just makes a copy of whatever bank you have loaded into a set-aside category. But I haven’t been able to use it yet to overwrite banks every time you add a new voice to them...

  • edited January 2018

    @RyoutaKira - A few observations/issues regarding the last update (v 1.0.3) to this excellent app:

    QUICK SAVE:
    Quick save generally works, but seems to have a glitch where the "Quick-Saved" category at the top of the "Cart" screen may appear blank, or fail to update until you restart the app. I thought it didn't work at all the first time I saw it, but then restarted and it populated with all the quick saves I had attempted previously.

    It doesn't do exactly what I thought it did, but might be useful for other reasons. What it seems to do is automatically save a "32+1" sysex file for whatever "bank" or "cart" you currently have open. So, in the screen below, "GuitClav4.syx" is the bank that will get saved if you click on "Q.Save" in the top right. That will create a new 32+1 sysex file in the Quick Save area. (Because it's a 32+1 file, it should also store the currently loaded patch, which "X-MOD BASS", as indicated in the bottom left near the pitch/mod controls). But if you quick-save the same bank again, it will rename it GuitClav4 1, GuitClav4 2, etc.

    For overwriting your favorites bank and making your own banks with custom voices, I think I recommend following using Step 5b in my directions below, instead of Quick Save. Quick Save is better suited for if you are browsing through a bunch of folders in a large zip (like the Dexed or "All the web" one) and come across an interesting bank you want to keep. Quick save is useful for that, because if the patch is called something like "Analog57", good luck getting back to where you were if you leave that screen!

    I do not believe there is an option to use quick-save to just overwrite and existing bank in any of the 4 categories. Maybe that could be a feature, similar to how it behaves if you are storing a "new" bank and name it the same as an existing one.

    The workflow for this, then, is that you can Quick Save your "favorites" bank and just keep creating new ones. Eventually, you'd load up 32 of them (I guess?), and just copy and paste it to the iCloud/AU/IFS section, and rename it to what you want.

    SUPPORT FOR 32+1 CARTS:
    The update really emphasizes a "32+1" feature, which seems to store the loaded patch in addition to the 32 available in the bank/cart. So, in effect, it's a 33-voice cart instead of 32 voices. However, this results in a sysex file format that external apps or hardware might not able to read. When I exported it to Volca FM Buddy, the 32+1 sysex files would not work, but I was able to save them just as 32-voice banks, and those worked fine.


    TUTORIAL: HOW TO STORE INDIVIDUAL SOUNDS (VOICES) TO A DIFFERENT BANK:
    This has been covered already by others, but I'll share my notes here with others just in case people come across this later and need it spelled out differently. If you are browsing through carts and come across a single sound you want to keep, do exactly the following:

    (1) Click on the voice and make sure it is displayed in the box on the bottom left (shows "X-MOD BASS" in the picture above).

    (2) Back all the way out of the patch menus and click on the bank where you are trying to save your voice. In my picture below, I clicked on the JRH - INSTRUMENTS bank (highlighted green), which displayed 32 "INIT VOICE" patches on the right. Notice that "X-MOD BASS" still shows in the active patch box below.

    (3) Click STORE at the top of the screen. X-MOD BASS should still show as the actively loaded patch.

    (4) Touch the destination slot where you want the patch to be stored. This would be the slot I highlighted in red below, which should now change to display "X-MOD BASS".

    (5a) Before you do anything else, you need to either click "Q. Save" at the top (which will copy it and make a new bank in the Quick Save portion of the menu); OR

    (5b) Click "Store" and then click on the same patch again (green highlighter) and it should give you the option to overwrite that patch, saving the changes. I believe this is new as of the last update - it used to require a few mor steps than that.

    NOTE: If you do anything else between steps 4 and 5, the bank will just revert to whatever it had in it before you saved it, and the new voice will not be stored in there.

  • Here's a good channel for learning programming the DX7 :)

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCOwUHeN-OWwo2QOSOxxQxIg

  • I know this app was built as a FM synth, not as a patch manager / librarian, but would be great if there was drag and drop with an auto save option. otherwise your best off doing that side of it in Dexed for the time being (free): https://asb2m10.github.io/dexed/

  • Don't think this has already been posted here, but there was a DX7 comparison and you could definitely hear the differences between the real DX7 and Dixie, especially in how Dixie seems to have a very slow chorusing effect compared to the real synth.

    I still paid happily for Dixie, but I'm hoping that some of the differences can be reduced over time as well (not expecting a complete clone)

    https://youtu.be/hlMwd4dqStA

  • @vitocorleone123 - Thanks for posting. The video is over an hour, so I just peeked in to bits and pieces of it.

    To me, the comparison between a real DX-7 and KQ Dixie, a $4 iOS app, is nearly irrelevant. A lot of people are interested in FM sounds that either can't or don't want to own an 80's era DX-7. Also, if the point of reference for all these sounds is always "how they sounded on a DX-7", then nothing is ever going to best an actual DX-7. It's just a question of how close it can get, when the real question should be "does it sound good?", or "is it easy to use?"

    Comparing Dixie to Dexed, or maybe even the Volca FM, on the other hand, makes a lot more sense. FM Player, less so, because my recollection is that it's merely a sample player, not an FM synthesis app that can read .syx files. And Dixie is still the only app in the App Store that can load a DX7 file and play it within the ecosystem of iOS music, so there's obvious value in that.

    I will say that I own the Korg Volca FM and while most aspects suggest that Dixie is a far superior FM synth (significantly more polyphony; much better access and ease of use for loading and manipulating patches), it really is a symbiotic relationship between the two. Being able to audition patches on Dixie makes the 32-voice limit on the Volca far more workable.

  • I don’t look at Dixie in terms of replicating a DX. More like - look at this library of FM-ish sounds I have access to. It’s a great idea generator and the sound stands on its own.

  • I didn’t expect a 100 perfect clone. > @anickt said:

    I don’t look at Dixie in terms of replicating a DX. More like - look at this library of FM-ish sounds I have access to. It’s a great idea generator and the sound stands on its own.

    +1

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