Is AB now an option or still an essential

I’d like to discuss this and hear your thoughts ( including developers).

The reason I’m asking is because prior to AUM ( and now the rise of AUV3) , we had the following options on iOS:

Pasteboard/ acp

Audiobus

Standalone apps

Virtual midi

Audiobus in my mind does the same as AUM, but since purchasing AUM and getting AUV3 apps I’ve not seen the need to get AB3. That’s just me.. I can route many apps and fx together in different combos and record.

If I want to sequence apps together without much fuss, I’m now learning to use AUV3 with GarageBand and it’s so easy and smooth on iOS 11.

As far as I can tell, AB3 is almost identical to AUM in most ways, so why would I need it?

My feeling is that audiobus did indeed start a revolution for iOS protocols but is not the only way now.

So,for you... is it now just an option of a few or is it still essential? And please explain why?

I also noted that zeon is not IAA and only does AUV3 within AUM or GB, there is no mention of AB in the AppStore description

Could we be seeing the death of IAA in favour of AUV3??

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  • @RUST( i )K said:
    I personally think this thread is disrespectful to the Audiobus team. It has a built in back handed insult implying that the app does not have worth or value to one degree or another and let's talk about why.

    This website and forum are a value in themselves, all because of Audiobus.

    I am a big believer of not shitting where I eat.

    That is just me though. I don't agree with many people on most things any way.

    Yes, This!

    I have AB2, AB3 and AB Remote also AUM. As it would be nice if they all got together and had a baby, AUMBus would be born. But I must say that they are all respective tools that are very useful in there own ways. At the present state of software development are all very important in iOS music creation. When you get down to the nuts and bolts of it, when you are making your list for essential apps for music making, all of these should make your list. Can you make music without them, sure. These are tools to help make the mundane tasks much less mundane and they do a fine job of it.

  • While I don't often agree with @Love3quency I think it's not about "shitting where you eat", @RUST( i )K but simply a discussion. I read no disrespect in his questioning.
    I came to this forum months ago stating that I do not own AB, that AUM suited my needs, asked why do I need AB and AudioDabler even answered by making a video explaining the main difference between both.
    Every now and again this question of AB and AUM comes up and it's hella valid. Folks, like myself at one time, want to know if there is something they are missing, and if AB is obsolete (opinion or fact) then let it be. It's all about discussion.

    Anyway, @Love3quency IMO AB & AUM works best together. As I got AB months after and found some advantages like state saving and recording directly into BlocsWave, however with iOS11, the AB switcher is not a big deal and I can do a lot more automation and complex routing in AUM. It's all about your personal preference. I hardly ever use AB except for that BlocsWave thing I mentioned.

  • AB has the superb switch-between-apps panel . Well that's it !

    If there was a way for AB3 to force state saving (although AU apps support it by default) and merge AB remote where the parameters of each app could be exposed to other iOS and non iOS device I would look no further.

    BTW I bought AUM on launch , but on current price I'd prefer AB3

  • I only use AUM.
    I think it’s the best mixer/platform, I like the concept, it’s elegant, well designed all on same page, connected to Audioshare.

    Don’t use that “nagging questions” Audiobus 2 anymore..

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    I personally think this thread is disrespectful to the Audiobus team. It has a built in back handed insult implying that the app does not have worth or value to one degree or another and let's talk about why.

    This website and forum are a value in themselves, all because of Audiobus.

    I am a big believer of not shitting where I eat.

    That is just me though. I don't agree with many people on most things any way.

    Nailed it.

    Yet another "Look At Me I'm Mr Controversial" post.

  • I think it’s a decent topic to have here to be honest. Great that we can all discuss AB use, possible wants and needs for further development, maybe even help give ideas for future direction.

    I’m sure the majority of us can input decent thoughts and that the AB team will cherry pick if they see anything useful said here :)

  • It'd be interesting to see an android audiobus.

  • @Cib said:
    That might be the „bad“ part of things merging into the same we get on desktops. All the great workarounds in iOS might be gone soon.
    But that might bring us less interesting interfaces for touch screens. Mhhh....

    +1 The whole point of making music with an ios device for me, is that it is different from a Desktop/laptop. I use my iPad more like i would use hardware gear connected to a larger whole. via AB, AUM, and Studiomux. All three are extremely useful to me. I have no need/desire to work entirely inside an ios DAW, and if it goes this way, then my interest will soon fade away.....i want the ios platform to be innovatory,revolutionary, and FUN! Please don't suck all the life out of it with this desire to emulate the desktop eco-sytem..........Long Live Audiobus!

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    I personally think this thread is disrespectful to the Audiobus team. It has a built in back handed insult implying that the app does not have worth or value to one degree or another and let's talk about why.

    This website and forum are a value in themselves, all because of Audiobus.

    I am a big believer of not shitting where I eat.

    That is just me though. I don't agree with many people on most things any way.

    I dont think its disrespectful at all, I think its a valid question for some people wondering if they need it, some actually might not at the end of the day. Personally I still need it for different things, my preference is Audio Units as far as synths go if Im recording a song because it's just more convenient, but for recording guitars and synths that dont support AUV3, AB all the way, sometimes over IAA because we can run things thru AB and AU supported fx. I dabble with AB as a stand alone sometimes but not as much as I thought I would.

  • @NoiseHorse said:
    IMO the point of IAA or AUv3 or AUM or Audiobus is that we have different ways to get different things done. Hopefully nobody disagrees with that part. Which method you consider your favorite, depending on what you’re doing, is your choice. I’m glad we have choices, compared to 7 or 8 years ago. If anybody cares, Audiobus is ALWAYS the first button I push when I make music. If I need AUM I crank it up, if I need AU then great, same for IAA. I use em all. I don’t do the creation of every song the same way, I’m grateful to have different canvases to my pictures. I don’t use one DAW either, or Synth, or effect, even though there’s probably one of each that is better than all the rest. Audiobus is definitely essential to me, and so are the rest.

    +1

  • @Love3quency said:

    AB is not as essential as it used to be because link and AUV3 now exist.

    You could argue the same for IAA, or AU3. For me they're all elements of a greater thing, and allow me to connect a wide range of apps that I would otherwise be unable to do so. They're all essentials.

  • @Love3quency said:
    I think I should clarify

    By essential I mean- impossible to live/ create without

    AB is now one of a few choices, if it didn’t exist, it still is possible to make great iOS music. Actually it was possible beforehand with acp from app to app. AB made things more convenient and faster, so does IAA/ link/ AUV3

    AB is essential for many, simply because they prefer, and are used to using it. Some on this thread have said they now only use AUV3, some say they use it all

    It’s just that we now have options, beforehand we didn’t, just AB.

    AB provoked Apple to provide options that don’t depend on, but can include AB if so desired

    I think you help make the case that nothing is essential, you can create music with or without all of these wonderful tools. As with all life, an individual’s workflow and preferences will prioritise the importance and usefulesness of the tools or processes available. Personally I use all the tools for all different purposes, AB for chaining, AUM for mixing - both are AUv3 hosts, lovely

  • I think IAA, as well as Audiobus is obsolete. Will take some time, and a lot of apps won't be updated, but any new app has to compete with full screen AUv3s like Model 15 and Axon 2. I think it's the final step to bring the platform on par with desktop.

  • As long as IAA apps are out there AB is a must have from my perspective. I couldn’t live without state saving.

  • Totally forgot about the 'nag messages' , must mention that they only come once per app , never appear again ,
    but every time I reformat the iPad on major iOS update ( or buy new ) , have to deal with them again ....

  • edited November 2017 Vote Up0

    If you want to record (not import) directly from another app into blocs wave then AB is a must.

  • As mentioned, AB3 has some benefits that AUM alone does not have, such as the quick switch side panel. This makes combining some apps with use of AUM run smoother than Running everything within AUM or AB3 alone.

    I think of AUM and AB3 as extensions of each other. Even if AB3 became another AU mixer in essence, it’s better to have than not to have.

  • I started as an AB guy, then moved to AUM. Now I use AB2 only occasionally when I want to route audio out of AUM into Loopy or something. I’ve never even considered getting AB3–all of my needs are already being met.

  • Once AB3 starts accepting MIDI Audio Units in the MIDI lane they'll be opening up a lot of new possibilities in an easy way. Making MIDI routing painless is something that AB3 does very well.

  • Audiobus in combination with AUM is the way to go. Get the best of both worlds, state saving, preset management and audiobus remote combined with the simplicity and flexibility of AUM. Having all the recordings stored in AudioShare is the icing on the cake.

    I couldn't imagine trying to work without any one of these apps...

  • I personally think this thread is disrespectful to the Audiobus team. It has a built in back handed insult implying that the app does not have worth or value to one degree or another and let's talk about why.

    This website and forum are a value in themselves, all because of Audiobus.

    I am a big believer of not shitting where I eat.

    That is just me though. I don't agree with many people on most things any way.

  • edited November 2017 Vote Up0

    Definitely enjoy combining AB3 and AUM to leverage the strengths of each. Having an all MIDI setup in AB3 with the MIDI routed to AUM which hosts the audio apps and routes the AB3 MIDI to them works well and saves the state of the MIDI setup and all AU apps hosted in AUM. I can load a very complex setup by loading it from an AB3 preset. AB3 MIDI effects are great and controlling AU MIDI parameters in AUM along with controlling bus send levels, mute, solo, channel volume and other aspects of AUM is fantastic. You can also set MIDI parameter ranges in AUM as well. AB Remote can be very handy for switching or controlling apps.

  • It is the definition of entitled. It’s just unreal (as well as ignorant) that someone would feel they could post that AB3 is “obsolete.”

    Which is not to say that any app (AB3 included) is above reproach. I personally the app could do with some better promotion; the midi side still confuses me, and I feel like I’m waiting for developers to make their apps AB3-ready. But maybe that has already happened?

  • I use it every day.

  • edited November 2017 Vote Up0

    Let's face truth, when more DAW's will fully adopt AUv3 (including generating and altering MIDI data), Audiobus and IAA will be more and more obsolete ..

    It may sound cruel (specially on this forum) but i hope developers of new future DAW's and synths / fx's will speed up this transition process by supporting exclusively only AUv3 standard ..

    With ALL (big) respect to Audiobus team - this app was huge thing for whole iOS audio movement, true revolution .. but .. it's time to look forward to future. I see there just AUv3

  • No disrespect intended here. In fact quite the opposite, FWIW, my workflow changed with AUM and Blocks Wave, making me use AB less.

    However, that does not mean I never use it, or that I will not use it more as my needs and the app itself change. I would always buy new versions, to help promote the tremendous resource that is this forum.

    AB for me, these days, is more about here than actually using the app.

  • edited November 2017 Vote Up0

    For a while I thought Audiobus was just a cool forum (like an iOS focused KvR). Eventually I learned it was an app :o :#

    Lately I’ve been hoping that it will branch out and become a full DAW

  • @RUST( i )K said:
    I personally think this thread is disrespectful to the Audiobus team. It has a built in back handed insult implying that the app does not have worth or value to one degree or another and let's talk about why.

    This website and forum are a value in themselves, all because of Audiobus.

    I am a big believer of not shitting where I eat.

    That is just me though. I don't agree with many people on most things any way.

    I feel that. I’ve noticed before that there is so much talk of AUM and other apps other than Audiobus here on this forum. I felt a little weird sharing my lack of AB3 use here in this thread, but felt that a candid response would actually benefit the AB dev team and community at large. I almost ended my previous post with “but I love this forum and the community it supports”. I think this is just a healthy, natural ebb and flow of ideas. How else are the AB dev team going to gather info on how to make AB4 the cataclysmic game changer they want it to be?

  • edited November 2017 Vote Up0

    Not sure why this thread needed to be started, seems a little disrespectful, and we’ve had similar discussions before.

    But I’ll repeat my two pence worth anyway:

    I use AUM mostly, because of the built in mixer and AU support and it works well for my live jamming fun, but Audiobus is still essential for me for when I’m routing apps and fx chains into Auria or BM3, for example, as the simplicity, low CPU footprint and loading speed do a better job.

    I live AUM, I love Audiobus, and I love clever developers like Brambos because they’re all working together to create something greater than the sum of its parts.

  • @lukesleepwalker said:
    I use it every day.

    Ditto.

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